1 00:00:27,339 --> 00:00:10,040 [Music] 2 00:00:32,330 --> 00:00:29,960 hello and welcome to the show ah Martin 3 00:00:32,780 --> 00:00:32,340 will assure host and we have an exciting 4 00:00:34,819 --> 00:00:32,790 show 5 00:00:37,299 --> 00:00:34,829 we have Alejandro Rojas coming up with 6 00:00:39,740 --> 00:00:37,309 the UFO updates in just a minute and 7 00:00:41,719 --> 00:00:39,750 after that we have Jordan 8 00:00:43,729 --> 00:00:41,729 Bonaparte from Canada he's gonna be 9 00:00:45,170 --> 00:00:43,739 talking about something that he's 10 00:00:48,319 --> 00:00:45,180 working on pretty interesting it's 11 00:00:50,709 --> 00:00:48,329 called UFOs above Canada um he does a 12 00:00:56,090 --> 00:00:50,719 great show called the nighttime podcast 13 00:00:57,490 --> 00:00:56,100 and after that about 45 minutes into the 14 00:01:02,090 --> 00:00:57,500 show we're gonna be talking to Ellie 15 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:02,100 Maloney now she is a former lawyer she's 16 00:01:06,230 --> 00:01:03,089 actually gonna be talking to us from 17 00:01:07,399 --> 00:01:06,240 Europe so she's staying up late and she 18 00:01:10,039 --> 00:01:07,409 has written a book that's really 19 00:01:13,340 --> 00:01:10,049 interesting it's a science fiction but 20 00:01:14,690 --> 00:01:13,350 it's it's really good and a lot of 21 00:01:16,370 --> 00:01:14,700 really good reviews and we'll be talking 22 00:01:18,109 --> 00:01:16,380 about that and she knows a little bit 23 00:01:20,030 --> 00:01:18,119 about some UFO cases which kind of 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:20,040 inspired part of her book we're gonna be 25 00:01:24,980 --> 00:01:22,170 talking about that as well so I want to 26 00:01:26,690 --> 00:01:24,990 thank you for supporting the show and if 27 00:01:28,670 --> 00:01:26,700 you can't support the show and want to 28 00:01:31,010 --> 00:01:28,680 listen to the full shows all you have to 29 00:01:32,690 --> 00:01:31,020 do is go to podcast UFO comm every 30 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:32,700 Wednesday at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard 31 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:36,450 Time to 10 p.m. and watch there or the 32 00:01:41,719 --> 00:01:39,210 you to our youtube channel or on the 33 00:01:43,820 --> 00:01:41,729 dark matter of digital network that's 34 00:01:46,969 --> 00:01:43,830 Thursday nights from 10:00 until 35 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:46,979 midnight and speaking of the dark matter 36 00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:51,090 of digital network art Bell we lost art 37 00:01:54,289 --> 00:01:53,310 Bell last week and Alejandro is going to 38 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:54,299 be on we're going to talk a little bit 39 00:01:59,539 --> 00:01:56,130 about that Alejandro welcome to the show 40 00:01:59,990 --> 00:01:59,549 hello thank you sir always lovely to be 41 00:02:04,039 --> 00:02:00,000 here 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:04,049 yes good to have you on as always mm-hmm 43 00:02:10,550 --> 00:02:07,890 I'm I'm off planet yes you see that just 44 00:02:13,610 --> 00:02:10,560 a second here the Yuto okay Eric there 45 00:02:16,449 --> 00:02:13,620 you are our planet yeah we had a we had 46 00:02:19,339 --> 00:02:16,459 a meltdown last week on YouTube we had a 47 00:02:22,070 --> 00:02:19,349 downloaded software I mean up whatever 48 00:02:24,830 --> 00:02:22,080 you call it we updated software on our 49 00:02:27,020 --> 00:02:24,840 Mac and and that was history for this 50 00:02:28,699 --> 00:02:27,030 program had to wipe the Mac completely 51 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:28,709 clean and start all over from scratch 52 00:02:34,069 --> 00:02:32,310 and have an old razor on so we just got 53 00:02:35,990 --> 00:02:34,079 I mean it was hours and hours two days 54 00:02:39,860 --> 00:02:36,000 worth of work but we're on 55 00:02:42,290 --> 00:02:39,870 no glitches right now so far so far just 56 00:02:44,180 --> 00:02:42,300 like having a new computer but anyway 57 00:02:46,820 --> 00:02:44,190 it's all fixed and I love the background 58 00:02:48,950 --> 00:02:46,830 now what is that a great big like poster 59 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:48,960 or something behind you 60 00:02:54,650 --> 00:02:51,930 no it's it's it's a is a planet and will 61 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:54,660 it's the hallway you see kind of a I 62 00:02:59,570 --> 00:02:57,570 think this is kind of like an air or 63 00:03:03,590 --> 00:02:59,580 like just kind of a hallway in a 64 00:03:06,530 --> 00:03:03,600 spacecraft oh you're on that yeah you do 65 00:03:09,949 --> 00:03:06,540 see some planets and I'm not even sure 66 00:03:12,890 --> 00:03:09,959 where we're at but somewhere out in the 67 00:03:15,350 --> 00:03:12,900 vast wild beyond Wow and you have 68 00:03:18,199 --> 00:03:15,360 internet which is really amazing mm-hmm 69 00:03:20,510 --> 00:03:18,209 oh yeah the Internet's great got really 70 00:03:21,770 --> 00:03:20,520 good signal out there yeah all right 71 00:03:23,390 --> 00:03:21,780 we're going to expand your so they can 72 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:23,400 see the whole picture of the YouTube or 73 00:03:28,580 --> 00:03:26,970 helps in just a second okay so I just 74 00:03:30,890 --> 00:03:28,590 mentioned art bell you want to lead off 75 00:03:33,580 --> 00:03:30,900 talking about all right yeah 76 00:03:37,430 --> 00:03:33,590 so unfortunately art bell passed away 77 00:03:39,949 --> 00:03:37,440 fairly recently funny enough this guy 78 00:03:43,460 --> 00:03:39,959 came up keV Chung Kevin Johnson him in 79 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:43,470 my podcast on a different issue but I 80 00:03:47,930 --> 00:03:45,360 actually found out from him first very 81 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:47,940 quickly I guess most people found out 82 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:52,049 because the local police had posted that 83 00:03:59,590 --> 00:03:55,890 this had happened and so one of the 84 00:04:03,650 --> 00:03:59,600 viewers listeners posted that on our 85 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:03,660 open minds UFO group and within an hour 86 00:04:09,770 --> 00:04:07,650 of that happening so we found out fairly 87 00:04:13,039 --> 00:04:09,780 quickly I guess there's not a lot of 88 00:04:16,729 --> 00:04:13,049 information about how or exactly what he 89 00:04:21,770 --> 00:04:16,739 passed from I guess he was a 72 years 90 00:04:25,070 --> 00:04:21,780 old so yeah very sad of course he's a 91 00:04:26,270 --> 00:04:25,080 legend you know a lot of people don't 92 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:26,280 know we talked about this in the last 93 00:04:31,159 --> 00:04:29,370 show yeah a couple neat points that when 94 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:31,169 I found this out from George Knapp that 95 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:33,690 actually Robert Bigelow is how who 96 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:35,610 helped him get his beginning Robert and 97 00:04:38,810 --> 00:04:36,810 George Knapp and some others were 98 00:04:42,020 --> 00:04:38,820 involved with talking him into doing 99 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:42,030 this and they they helped fund it and I 100 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:43,650 guess it was a small thing in local 101 00:04:49,219 --> 00:04:46,289 there but of course it it grew and got 102 00:04:49,850 --> 00:04:49,229 huge and essentially you know if you 103 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:49,860 were list 104 00:04:54,770 --> 00:04:52,530 to the radio overnight you were 105 00:04:56,659 --> 00:04:54,780 listening to our bell pretty much for 106 00:04:59,990 --> 00:04:56,669 many many years including when I was 107 00:05:05,749 --> 00:05:00,000 growing up and and probably when you 108 00:05:08,270 --> 00:05:05,759 were a little younger too so but it's I 109 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:08,280 I guess if people aren't don't seem to 110 00:05:14,119 --> 00:05:12,449 be too shocked he was older but sad it 111 00:05:16,459 --> 00:05:14,129 is a little early you know your 112 00:05:19,159 --> 00:05:16,469 seventies these days people live past 113 00:05:20,779 --> 00:05:19,169 that but yeah another really cool thing 114 00:05:24,290 --> 00:05:20,789 that was posted this week was from 115 00:05:27,649 --> 00:05:24,300 Bryce's able so Bryce is awesome 116 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:27,659 Hollywood guy he spoke at our conference 117 00:05:34,790 --> 00:05:32,610 this last year and and he actually was a 118 00:05:37,189 --> 00:05:34,800 producer and writer of a TV series 119 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:37,199 called dark skies which was essentially 120 00:05:44,719 --> 00:05:42,810 NBC's answered to x-files however it was 121 00:05:48,140 --> 00:05:44,729 based off of you know actual kind of 122 00:05:50,119 --> 00:05:48,150 research what people suspect to be the 123 00:05:52,459 --> 00:05:50,129 truth of what's going on and there was 124 00:05:55,219 --> 00:05:52,469 all this majestic 12 and everything well 125 00:05:57,769 --> 00:05:55,229 when he had a scene where all the 126 00:06:00,559 --> 00:05:57,779 majestic 12 people were together art 127 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:00,569 Bell was cast as one of the majestic 12 128 00:06:07,730 --> 00:06:03,449 and he actually has a few speaking lines 129 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:07,740 and it's a really great clip Wow yeah I 130 00:06:12,019 --> 00:06:10,050 saw something about that now on on 131 00:06:15,769 --> 00:06:12,029 midnight in the desert they have a 132 00:06:18,649 --> 00:06:15,779 little bit about arts final ride rest in 133 00:06:21,670 --> 00:06:18,659 peace and they say that it's probably 134 00:06:24,890 --> 00:06:21,680 due likely to complications from his 135 00:06:28,790 --> 00:06:24,900 diagnose to COPD I don't know exactly 136 00:06:33,290 --> 00:06:31,309 it's I think obstructive at the heart 137 00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:33,300 yeah chronic obstructive pulmonary 138 00:06:41,059 --> 00:06:38,400 disease so anyway yeah he's a he was an 139 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:41,069 icon I think he opened the door for well 140 00:06:45,740 --> 00:06:43,529 for this show for so many shows actually 141 00:06:49,100 --> 00:06:45,750 I am you know a lot of people were 142 00:06:52,010 --> 00:06:49,110 inspired by him and one of the things I 143 00:06:53,929 --> 00:06:52,020 heard him say often was if you're gonna 144 00:06:55,309 --> 00:06:53,939 do it just be yourself you know that's 145 00:06:57,260 --> 00:06:55,319 all you have to do is just be yourself 146 00:07:00,529 --> 00:06:57,270 on air and he was very very good at that 147 00:07:03,190 --> 00:07:00,539 very natural mm-hmm I and yeah I think 148 00:07:04,810 --> 00:07:03,200 that's a key and that's what people 149 00:07:06,340 --> 00:07:04,820 I don't think you have to do a lot of 150 00:07:09,550 --> 00:07:06,350 showmanship and everything you don't 151 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:09,560 have to you know go off planet and try 152 00:07:15,190 --> 00:07:12,890 like you to impress people you know that 153 00:07:19,030 --> 00:07:15,200 way you just have to be yourself and and 154 00:07:23,230 --> 00:07:19,040 he was I mean you can tell he had a 155 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:23,240 genuine curiosity it's very nice to 156 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:28,010 guess and and and he was a thinker you 157 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:29,570 know he was always contemplating and 158 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:31,370 thinking and that was fun about his show 159 00:07:37,390 --> 00:07:35,330 which he was always kind of putting out 160 00:07:39,790 --> 00:07:37,400 scenarios of what if this or what if 161 00:07:43,900 --> 00:07:39,800 that you can tell he was very very 162 00:07:45,610 --> 00:07:43,910 curious and and so he felt like you know 163 00:07:48,150 --> 00:07:45,620 he felt like one of you someone that was 164 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:48,160 just really into the topic and really 165 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:51,890 curious about what's going on like many 166 00:07:57,940 --> 00:07:54,970 of us who who are compelled to do this 167 00:08:00,490 --> 00:07:57,950 that's right and so yeah so he was he 168 00:08:04,990 --> 00:08:00,500 was a he was a mentor for many of us and 169 00:08:07,180 --> 00:08:05,000 and it's sad that he's gone and I I'm 170 00:08:09,190 --> 00:08:07,190 sort of bummed too that I never got to 171 00:08:11,350 --> 00:08:09,200 meet him or talk to him personally did 172 00:08:13,210 --> 00:08:11,360 you I never actually talked to him only 173 00:08:14,890 --> 00:08:13,220 communicated through email I came really 174 00:08:18,010 --> 00:08:14,900 really close it's kind of a funny story 175 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:18,020 but anyway I was out of range when he 176 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:19,730 was going to call I was at a lake 177 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:24,290 unfortunately and missed a call and Wow 178 00:08:28,660 --> 00:08:25,610 but anyway it was just one of those 179 00:08:31,090 --> 00:08:28,670 situations yeah cuz you were on his 180 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:31,100 network I mean I was alluring yeah I'm 181 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:33,530 on his network yeah on just now a 182 00:08:38,620 --> 00:08:35,570 recorded show on his network but I 183 00:08:41,890 --> 00:08:38,630 started out live on his network and was 184 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:41,900 actually helped Heather Wade who took 185 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:43,850 over his place actually I was her 186 00:08:47,620 --> 00:08:46,130 producer for a little while so I got to 187 00:08:51,670 --> 00:08:47,630 know the and Keith role and great people 188 00:08:55,140 --> 00:08:51,680 over there so it was a an interesting 189 00:08:58,210 --> 00:08:55,150 experience it was fun yeah yeah so 190 00:09:01,390 --> 00:08:58,220 anyway yeah that's a it's a big loss and 191 00:09:04,660 --> 00:09:01,400 and he will certainly be missed he's an 192 00:09:06,910 --> 00:09:04,670 icon almost hard to believe he's gone 193 00:09:09,010 --> 00:09:06,920 and actually you do hear a lot of his 194 00:09:10,450 --> 00:09:09,020 shows playing and if you go on youtube 195 00:09:12,670 --> 00:09:10,460 for anything right now you'll see art 196 00:09:16,570 --> 00:09:12,680 bells come up right away you know his 197 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:16,580 old shows so long he lived that way 198 00:09:21,220 --> 00:09:19,970 yeah so what else is happening in sports 199 00:09:23,019 --> 00:09:21,230 you know I just you know what's 200 00:09:24,790 --> 00:09:23,029 interesting on the spacecraft and now 201 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:24,800 you can buy them online as these these 202 00:09:29,620 --> 00:09:27,680 UFO Congress mugs look how cool that is 203 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:29,630 oh wow you can find that at the UFO 204 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:31,490 Congress store we were that's what I'm 205 00:09:35,980 --> 00:09:34,250 out here doing it's bartering with some 206 00:09:38,199 --> 00:09:35,990 of the locals of the planet that you can 207 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:38,209 see over my shoulder here and they 208 00:09:43,990 --> 00:09:40,010 create these the dissin credible 209 00:09:47,590 --> 00:09:44,000 technology well that's perfect for mugs 210 00:09:49,150 --> 00:09:47,600 it looks like ceramic but Wow yeah.he 211 00:09:51,430 --> 00:09:49,160 technology so you could get that at the 212 00:09:52,569 --> 00:09:51,440 Congress website but anyways other news 213 00:09:57,250 --> 00:09:52,579 Tom Reed 214 00:10:00,190 --> 00:09:57,260 have you had him on your show oh yes I 215 00:10:02,769 --> 00:10:00,200 did yes nice we had him on the show yeah 216 00:10:05,170 --> 00:10:02,779 he and I both had trouble getting out to 217 00:10:07,060 --> 00:10:05,180 your the Congress out there during 218 00:10:09,699 --> 00:10:07,070 snowstorms that year remember when 219 00:10:12,430 --> 00:10:09,709 hopefully yes yeah yeah he was late 220 00:10:16,030 --> 00:10:12,440 luckily he got out there I think it was 221 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:16,040 last year he was a speaker but he's had 222 00:10:26,019 --> 00:10:21,890 this experience and yeah and I can't 223 00:10:27,699 --> 00:10:26,029 remember where it is Michigan ones that 224 00:10:28,780 --> 00:10:27,709 are getting Massachusetts wasn't oh 225 00:10:32,650 --> 00:10:28,790 you're right you're right it's 226 00:10:35,260 --> 00:10:32,660 Massachusetts but when he was a kid this 227 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:35,270 happened there was a sighting it was in 228 00:10:40,660 --> 00:10:38,690 1969 it was actually in Blue Book Alan J 229 00:10:42,970 --> 00:10:40,670 Heinicke felt it was a very important 230 00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:42,980 sighting but what a lot of people don't 231 00:10:46,900 --> 00:10:45,110 know does that during the sighting you 232 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:46,910 know Tom Reid and his family he says 233 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:48,770 they had an abduction experience and he 234 00:10:53,350 --> 00:10:51,050 goes into detail he and his brother have 235 00:10:55,060 --> 00:10:53,360 been on several television shows he's in 236 00:10:59,680 --> 00:10:55,070 Roswell every year maybe he'll be there 237 00:11:04,060 --> 00:10:59,690 this year I'll be there and at the UFO 238 00:11:07,750 --> 00:11:04,070 Museum they're doing talks but he got a 239 00:11:09,970 --> 00:11:07,760 monument put up where his event occurred 240 00:11:12,850 --> 00:11:09,980 and it's near a bridge and one of these 241 00:11:15,370 --> 00:11:12,860 old bridges like it reminds me of 242 00:11:18,009 --> 00:11:15,380 Bridges of Madison County you know those 243 00:11:20,290 --> 00:11:18,019 sort of nice quaint little bridges like 244 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:20,300 a covered bridge or something right yeah 245 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:25,130 bridge mm-hmm near this bridge and what 246 00:11:29,139 --> 00:11:27,290 happened is I guess the monument on city 247 00:11:30,249 --> 00:11:29,149 land and they didn't like that so soon 248 00:11:32,469 --> 00:11:30,259 after that got put 249 00:11:34,449 --> 00:11:32,479 okay just a couple years ago they made a 250 00:11:36,759 --> 00:11:34,459 movement well now they're making him 251 00:11:39,509 --> 00:11:36,769 move it again they put it on private 252 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:39,519 property but I guess it's on an easement 253 00:11:43,989 --> 00:11:42,290 so he's got to move it from there and 254 00:11:45,819 --> 00:11:43,999 he's upset he's saying the person who's 255 00:11:48,969 --> 00:11:45,829 making a move it is the one who chose 256 00:11:50,529 --> 00:11:48,979 the current location so geez I guess 257 00:11:50,979 --> 00:11:50,539 maybe they're getting some negative 258 00:11:53,349 --> 00:11:50,989 feedback 259 00:11:55,269 --> 00:11:53,359 I know originally some of the local said 260 00:11:57,189 --> 00:11:55,279 I don't want to go visit the bridge and 261 00:12:01,090 --> 00:11:57,199 have to you know deal with this alien 262 00:12:02,769 --> 00:12:01,100 UFO stuff but what's interesting a 263 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:02,779 couple things of course we covered this 264 00:12:08,829 --> 00:12:05,929 before I think is that his monument and 265 00:12:11,049 --> 00:12:08,839 his event got recognized by the Historic 266 00:12:15,159 --> 00:12:11,059 Society out there so it is documented 267 00:12:17,979 --> 00:12:15,169 which is really cool but this story of 268 00:12:20,319 --> 00:12:17,989 him having to move this monument for 269 00:12:23,139 --> 00:12:20,329 some reason or other has made headlines 270 00:12:25,269 --> 00:12:23,149 all over the nation I mean it's on all 271 00:12:28,509 --> 00:12:25,279 of these big newspapers I think I saw it 272 00:12:30,939 --> 00:12:28,519 on new US News and World Report but I'm 273 00:12:31,989 --> 00:12:30,949 still seeing these links to it so it's 274 00:12:36,220 --> 00:12:31,999 made big news 275 00:12:38,409 --> 00:12:36,230 so it's interesting that it should at 276 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:38,419 least it brings awareness to hit the 277 00:12:43,689 --> 00:12:40,850 event that occurred so it's a good thing 278 00:12:45,999 --> 00:12:43,699 for him but yeah a lot of press it's not 279 00:12:48,669 --> 00:12:46,009 him having to move this monument is it 280 00:12:51,729 --> 00:12:48,679 and it's 5,000 pounds by the way of 281 00:12:54,579 --> 00:12:51,739 concrete it is huge yes it's it's really 282 00:12:55,869 --> 00:12:54,589 big another story that I think it's 283 00:12:58,539 --> 00:12:55,879 really interesting and I know we've 284 00:13:01,359 --> 00:12:58,549 touched on this before but it's just not 285 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:01,369 going away and it's escalated a bit and 286 00:13:08,349 --> 00:13:04,730 that's the Atacama humanoid story so 287 00:13:11,739 --> 00:13:08,359 that it it worked back in it's huge in 288 00:13:14,379 --> 00:13:11,749 that what you a couple it was only a few 289 00:13:17,289 --> 00:13:14,389 weeks ago maybe a month ago that dr. 290 00:13:19,329 --> 00:13:17,299 Noland the guy who did the DNA work who 291 00:13:21,129 --> 00:13:19,339 was actually I guess he volunteered to 292 00:13:25,419 --> 00:13:21,139 help Greer out girls like great here's 293 00:13:27,939 --> 00:13:25,429 my DNA guy and this is dr. Greer that 294 00:13:33,069 --> 00:13:27,949 you know he's famous for doing all of 295 00:13:35,319 --> 00:13:33,079 the UFO stuff but Greer claims two sinks 296 00:13:38,439 --> 00:13:35,329 an alien and dr. Noland said you know 297 00:13:40,149 --> 00:13:38,449 actually we found out it's human so 298 00:13:42,909 --> 00:13:40,159 there's been some back-and-forth there 299 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:42,919 but what's most interesting is this 300 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:44,090 ethical question 301 00:13:48,910 --> 00:13:46,370 it's now arisen and it's kind of the 302 00:13:51,130 --> 00:13:48,920 ethics of anthropology and taking the 303 00:13:52,810 --> 00:13:51,140 bodies now they're they're kind of 304 00:13:54,820 --> 00:13:52,820 getting in trouble him and the 305 00:13:56,950 --> 00:13:54,830 colleagues he got to kind of do this 306 00:13:59,140 --> 00:13:56,960 research to figure out what was going on 307 00:14:02,800 --> 00:13:59,150 with it's weird fetus that was found in 308 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:02,810 and chilly in the Anna comedy and now 309 00:14:07,870 --> 00:14:04,850 people are questioning should they have 310 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:07,880 done this research should they should 311 00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:11,330 scientists if are they responsible for 312 00:14:16,270 --> 00:14:13,550 figuring out the origins of the fetus 313 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:16,280 and then doing what's right influencing 314 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:18,650 the owner then to you know do whatever 315 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:22,490 the correct thing is and now the Chilean 316 00:14:28,030 --> 00:14:24,650 government is involved and they're upset 317 00:14:29,650 --> 00:14:28,040 and they want that fetus back I don't 318 00:14:32,830 --> 00:14:29,660 know if that's gonna happen I guess the 319 00:14:36,570 --> 00:14:32,840 owner that career first got this room 320 00:14:38,830 --> 00:14:36,580 he's a guy in Spain he now has it back 321 00:14:40,540 --> 00:14:38,840 but they've gotten in a little bit of 322 00:14:43,390 --> 00:14:40,550 hot water and it's this big kind of 323 00:14:48,010 --> 00:14:43,400 academic debate and thing that's going 324 00:14:50,170 --> 00:14:48,020 on about the ethics of of you know what 325 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:50,180 you do with carcasses that you know come 326 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:52,850 from third-world countries or or you 327 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:54,410 know before you do your scientific 328 00:14:58,990 --> 00:14:56,690 research Nolan has argued that they have 329 00:15:00,730 --> 00:14:59,000 made some scientific headway on this and 330 00:15:03,580 --> 00:15:00,740 that they've been able to understand a 331 00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:03,590 little better the anomalies that 332 00:15:07,870 --> 00:15:06,110 diseases essentially that this thing had 333 00:15:12,580 --> 00:15:07,880 it was like this thing really never 334 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:12,590 survived it was a on board fetus but so 335 00:15:16,930 --> 00:15:15,050 it's become this big thing that's so 336 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:16,940 it's really interesting I mean this 337 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:19,730 whole UFO alien investigation has now 338 00:15:26,380 --> 00:15:23,210 become this mainstream scientific issue 339 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:26,390 about the ethics of working on on these 340 00:15:33,730 --> 00:15:30,710 carcasses Wow interesting huh yeah so 341 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:33,740 this latest story by the way was in 342 00:15:41,260 --> 00:15:38,510 cosmos about this and that's kind of the 343 00:15:42,850 --> 00:15:41,270 nature it did it was kind of this silly 344 00:15:44,740 --> 00:15:42,860 little thing that people were like oh 345 00:15:46,660 --> 00:15:44,750 you know these people believe this is 346 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:46,670 alien and they have Greer saying no it's 347 00:15:50,740 --> 00:15:48,410 still an alien this is a conspiracy 348 00:15:52,330 --> 00:15:50,750 and dr. Noland and his colleagues saying 349 00:15:54,580 --> 00:15:52,340 well we found out that it's human and 350 00:15:57,730 --> 00:15:54,590 but it has all of these weird issues 351 00:15:59,530 --> 00:15:57,740 it's evolved from this cute little story 352 00:16:01,510 --> 00:15:59,540 kind of the zenyk got these kind of 353 00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:01,520 ethical undertones and now it's become 354 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:04,160 this big ethics issue Wow interesting 355 00:16:08,110 --> 00:16:04,970 huh 356 00:16:10,950 --> 00:16:08,120 yeah that's really weird and there's so 357 00:16:13,630 --> 00:16:10,960 many you know I'm glad they're stopping 358 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:13,640 it's almost like they're braiding these 359 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:19,370 you know caverns were these tombs are so 360 00:16:23,950 --> 00:16:21,170 well a lot of them are just out in the 361 00:16:26,050 --> 00:16:23,960 desert it's a very dry desert it there's 362 00:16:29,140 --> 00:16:26,060 one of the things and that's why we get 363 00:16:31,780 --> 00:16:29,150 you know this keeps happening this this 364 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:31,790 show Gaia you know unfortunately they've 365 00:16:36,340 --> 00:16:33,890 gotten into this of course they're a 366 00:16:38,350 --> 00:16:36,350 huge like yoga company where they have 367 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:38,360 yoga accessories and clothing and stuff 368 00:16:42,340 --> 00:16:40,250 and they've gotten into kind of the 369 00:16:44,170 --> 00:16:42,350 new-age stuff and and they've gotten 370 00:16:46,510 --> 00:16:44,180 some really hokey terrible stuff from 371 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:46,520 the UFO world yet again these bodies 372 00:16:50,620 --> 00:16:48,410 from the desert out there and this 373 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:50,630 happens periodically because the bodies 374 00:16:55,660 --> 00:16:52,310 are well preserved because it's a very 375 00:16:58,180 --> 00:16:55,670 dry desert right and and they look weird 376 00:17:00,070 --> 00:16:58,190 so sometimes they'll get uncovered from 377 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:00,080 wind or whatever and people will say oh 378 00:17:04,120 --> 00:17:01,970 that looks like an alien and then they 379 00:17:06,790 --> 00:17:04,130 try to purport it's an alien I'm a moose 380 00:17:09,490 --> 00:17:06,800 ons been through this yeah and this this 381 00:17:11,770 --> 00:17:09,500 whole thing happened so that's why that 382 00:17:13,090 --> 00:17:11,780 this region is kind of ripe for this 383 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:13,100 sort of thing and now they're kind of 384 00:17:18,100 --> 00:17:15,890 done they're like look we are done with 385 00:17:20,590 --> 00:17:18,110 people claiming that our our you know 386 00:17:23,260 --> 00:17:20,600 these these our ancestors are aliens 387 00:17:24,820 --> 00:17:23,270 they're just and and nobody should be 388 00:17:26,890 --> 00:17:24,830 messing with the bodies in the first 389 00:17:29,260 --> 00:17:26,900 place and you know I'd they have a good 390 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:29,270 argument right right well uh 391 00:17:32,650 --> 00:17:31,490 Alejandro thank you I think that's gonna 392 00:17:36,220 --> 00:17:32,660 do it unless you have something else 393 00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:36,230 pressing I think that is all for now all 394 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:38,000 right excellent talk to you next week 395 00:17:43,630 --> 00:17:40,130 all right talk to you next week buddy 396 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:43,640 all right so our guest now is going to 397 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:46,370 be Jordan Bonaparte and we've had him on 398 00:17:52,900 --> 00:17:50,810 the show previously great guy and does 399 00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:52,910 an excellent podcast called the 400 00:17:58,780 --> 00:17:56,240 nighttime podcast and so he is on with 401 00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:58,790 us now welcome to the show Jordan it's 402 00:18:00,490 --> 00:18:00,080 great to be back Martin thanks for 403 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:00,500 having me 404 00:18:07,030 --> 00:18:03,890 yeah yeah so hey you're doing something 405 00:18:09,310 --> 00:18:07,040 coming up called UFOs over Canada you 406 00:18:12,250 --> 00:18:09,320 want to talk about that yeah sure I'll 407 00:18:14,049 --> 00:18:12,260 tell you about it it's really the 408 00:18:16,450 --> 00:18:14,059 as you mentioned I have a show now 409 00:18:19,330 --> 00:18:16,460 called called night time and on night 410 00:18:22,510 --> 00:18:19,340 time Mike I examined and explored 411 00:18:25,150 --> 00:18:22,520 Canadian mysteries and true-crime and I 412 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:25,160 do a lot of UFO stories like I've kind 413 00:18:28,990 --> 00:18:26,990 of over the last few years I've done 414 00:18:32,860 --> 00:18:29,000 episodes kind of covering kind of the 415 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:32,870 main Canadian UFO events but I was 416 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:35,510 looking for a way to really expand on 417 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:36,890 that where again I've covered the big 418 00:18:40,930 --> 00:18:38,450 things like you know like shag harbour 419 00:18:45,159 --> 00:18:40,940 and whatnot but I kind of wanted to dive 420 00:18:47,289 --> 00:18:45,169 into the the type of UFO experiences 421 00:18:48,970 --> 00:18:47,299 that the people you work with have and 422 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:48,980 just kind of like the everyday UFO 423 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:52,370 experiences like I find having covered 424 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:54,410 the UFO phenomenon a lot I'll chat with 425 00:18:58,510 --> 00:18:56,570 people and there everybody has a story 426 00:19:00,580 --> 00:18:58,520 like you know my uncle saw a UFO or my 427 00:19:03,010 --> 00:19:00,590 brother saw a UFO or sometimes it's I 428 00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:03,020 saw a UFO you know back in high school 429 00:19:08,530 --> 00:19:05,360 or something like that so I kind of 430 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:08,540 wanted to share those types of stories 431 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:12,410 so what I did was rather than put these 432 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:15,490 stories on my main show nighttime I 433 00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:18,650 worked with a local radio station and 434 00:19:23,860 --> 00:19:21,440 I'm going to have a radio series that'll 435 00:19:27,220 --> 00:19:23,870 also be a web series and it's going to 436 00:19:29,380 --> 00:19:27,230 be again called UFOs above Canada and 437 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:29,390 it's going to look at the history of the 438 00:19:34,659 --> 00:19:31,910 UFO phenomenon in Canada both from the 439 00:19:37,030 --> 00:19:34,669 point of view of the role our government 440 00:19:39,940 --> 00:19:37,040 played in it it's going to cover the the 441 00:19:41,770 --> 00:19:39,950 main Canadian UFO events but a 442 00:19:44,530 --> 00:19:41,780 significant portion of it is going to be 443 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:44,540 talking to everyday Canadians who've 444 00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:46,490 experienced something or seen something 445 00:19:51,070 --> 00:19:48,740 unusual in the sky they they can't 446 00:19:53,530 --> 00:19:51,080 explain so I'm gonna be doing the things 447 00:19:55,180 --> 00:19:53,540 like going to the mall and sitting with 448 00:19:57,549 --> 00:19:55,190 a little sign in front of me that says 449 00:19:59,200 --> 00:19:57,559 have you seen a UFO if so tell me about 450 00:20:00,730 --> 00:19:59,210 it you know that's the kind of stuff 451 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:00,740 that I'm planning to do on the show well 452 00:20:05,919 --> 00:20:04,370 that ought to be interesting yeah and by 453 00:20:07,419 --> 00:20:05,929 the way give me a dollar - you know 454 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:07,429 Mazal a store money at the same time you 455 00:20:14,169 --> 00:20:10,970 know yeah canada buy me a coffee yeah 456 00:20:16,770 --> 00:20:14,179 hey so you were telling me we talked 457 00:20:20,580 --> 00:20:16,780 earlier and you were saying that you 458 00:20:22,510 --> 00:20:20,590 posted some newspaper ads and also 459 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:22,520 somewhere out there on the web and you 460 00:20:26,980 --> 00:20:25,010 got like 500 emails right away 461 00:20:30,130 --> 00:20:26,990 yeah pretty much like what I did was I 462 00:20:32,169 --> 00:20:30,140 am when as I mentioned like with UFOs 463 00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,179 above Canada I really want to get kind 464 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:34,640 of the not so much I'm not so much going 465 00:20:38,530 --> 00:20:36,530 for like the UFO researchers and 466 00:20:40,270 --> 00:20:38,540 ufologists and and these sorts of people 467 00:20:44,409 --> 00:20:40,280 to get involved in the show I wanted to 468 00:20:46,450 --> 00:20:44,419 get kind of the everyday Canadian type 469 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:46,460 person who've seen something to share 470 00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:49,610 their story so rather than spending my 471 00:20:55,630 --> 00:20:52,190 time plugging the show and what I'm 472 00:20:57,490 --> 00:20:55,640 doing on you know the the main like UFO 473 00:21:00,490 --> 00:20:57,500 kind of networks and stuff that that I 474 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:00,500 communicate with people on I put ads in 475 00:21:06,490 --> 00:21:04,610 like of course kijiji local newspapers I 476 00:21:09,549 --> 00:21:06,500 plugged it through my own podcast 477 00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:09,559 nighttime of course and basically just 478 00:21:14,380 --> 00:21:12,320 asking anybody who had experienced 479 00:21:15,850 --> 00:21:14,390 something or seen something to send me 480 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:15,860 an email letting me know what you saw 481 00:21:20,770 --> 00:21:18,650 and basically I explained that you know 482 00:21:23,230 --> 00:21:20,780 I was hoping to include as many people 483 00:21:26,140 --> 00:21:23,240 as possible in this series and I 484 00:21:28,180 --> 00:21:26,150 expected to get some emails but the 485 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:28,190 response I got was just completely 486 00:21:33,730 --> 00:21:31,610 overwhelming I've 500 maybe a bit of 487 00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,740 exaggeration but I think in in two weeks 488 00:21:38,980 --> 00:21:35,600 I probably got I definitely got over 300 489 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:38,990 but I have a whole pile of of 490 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:41,210 experiences to sort through and what's 491 00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:43,970 interesting about these it's it's again 492 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:46,640 it's everyday people recounting 493 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:49,010 something they experienced in the 70s or 494 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:52,250 80s and it's some of it's strange some 495 00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:55,610 of it's very kind of cliche UFO stories 496 00:22:00,909 --> 00:21:58,850 but really like what I get out of seeing 497 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:00,919 all these emails come through reading 498 00:22:05,380 --> 00:22:02,570 where the people are from and reading 499 00:22:09,730 --> 00:22:05,390 their experience is just how common it 500 00:22:12,940 --> 00:22:09,740 is to to experience a UFO event in your 501 00:22:14,110 --> 00:22:12,950 life of course you can think of the and 502 00:22:16,510 --> 00:22:14,120 I'm sure you've been down this road a 503 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:16,520 million times you can think of a UFO as 504 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:19,330 an alien spaceship but really if you 505 00:22:24,130 --> 00:22:22,250 step away from that explanation and just 506 00:22:25,659 --> 00:22:24,140 think of it as you know a bizarre thing 507 00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:25,669 you saw in the sky people are more 508 00:22:29,770 --> 00:22:27,200 willing to come out of the woodwork and 509 00:22:32,350 --> 00:22:29,780 you know tell you about it and yeah it's 510 00:22:34,450 --> 00:22:32,360 a anyway I was surprised at the response 511 00:22:37,060 --> 00:22:34,460 but at the same time I'm not surprised 512 00:22:38,770 --> 00:22:37,070 because you know everybody I know know 513 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:38,780 somebody who saw something 514 00:22:44,610 --> 00:22:40,610 if they hadn't seen it themselves that's 515 00:22:48,430 --> 00:22:44,620 right I love the stories myself that 516 00:22:51,070 --> 00:22:48,440 that are just by I don't want to say I 517 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,080 want to say people outside of the normal 518 00:22:55,450 --> 00:22:53,120 realm of listening to shows or being 519 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:55,460 involved in shows I love hearing those 520 00:23:01,120 --> 00:22:58,250 stories because they're so pure and 521 00:23:04,660 --> 00:23:01,130 oftentimes they repeat exactly what you 522 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:04,670 hear all the time like society triangle 523 00:23:10,420 --> 00:23:08,090 or whatever it is you know it's it's 524 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:10,430 great I love those stories yeah and it 525 00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:12,770 just shows you how how common it is like 526 00:23:17,650 --> 00:23:15,110 if like you yourself Martin you're 527 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:17,660 you're very involved in the UFO 528 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:19,250 phenomenon you're talking about it with 529 00:23:22,930 --> 00:23:21,290 people every week and you know and these 530 00:23:24,940 --> 00:23:22,940 are the things you follow on Facebook 531 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:24,950 and this is the news you read so that's 532 00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:27,050 kind of your life but when you take 533 00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:29,270 somebody who doesn't even know what a 534 00:23:34,030 --> 00:23:32,240 podcast is or that there is UFO you know 535 00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:34,040 discussion happening on the Internet and 536 00:23:41,620 --> 00:23:35,840 you ask them about it you get a much 537 00:23:43,660 --> 00:23:41,630 more pure untainted to look at the UFO 538 00:23:45,730 --> 00:23:43,670 phenomenon from the regular you know for 539 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:45,740 a regular person and that's kind of what 540 00:23:49,420 --> 00:23:48,050 on my show I'm kind of hoping that that 541 00:23:51,940 --> 00:23:49,430 will come out and I'll really be able to 542 00:23:55,420 --> 00:23:51,950 make a case for that whatever up in 543 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:55,430 Canada and by the way that was a blast 544 00:23:59,770 --> 00:23:57,770 this last year going all the way up to 545 00:24:02,830 --> 00:23:59,780 shag harbour I'll never drive there 546 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:02,840 again though but if you if you do take 547 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:04,090 care of your wallet better this time 548 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:06,770 yeah thanks 549 00:24:14,350 --> 00:24:12,050 I'll get you so one of the things I 550 00:24:17,530 --> 00:24:14,360 wanted to ask you is what does the the 551 00:24:22,150 --> 00:24:17,540 person into UFOs in Canada think of of 552 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:22,160 Paul Hellyer well to be honest I think 553 00:24:28,270 --> 00:24:24,770 the average Canadian doesn't know about 554 00:24:30,490 --> 00:24:28,280 him or and or no that's you know no our 555 00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,500 government's connection to the UFO 556 00:24:34,750 --> 00:24:32,960 phenomenon though I think the people who 557 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:34,760 do know about him and who are into UFOs 558 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:37,130 like myself I'm kind of proud like I 559 00:24:44,860 --> 00:24:41,210 think it's cool to have that high 560 00:24:47,770 --> 00:24:44,870 ranking of a government official being 561 00:24:49,930 --> 00:24:47,780 that that open with their their interest 562 00:24:52,570 --> 00:24:49,940 in the UFO phenomenon and even beyond 563 00:24:54,490 --> 00:24:52,580 that beyond having an interest he 564 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:54,500 even spoke about how close he was to 565 00:25:00,160 --> 00:24:56,690 arranging you know contact between the 566 00:25:02,860 --> 00:25:00,170 Canadian government and you know blank 567 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:02,870 extraterrestrial life forms there was 568 00:25:07,660 --> 00:25:04,910 some talk of a landing happening within 569 00:25:09,940 --> 00:25:07,670 Canada that he was involved in and he 570 00:25:11,290 --> 00:25:09,950 has even made some vague kind of you can 571 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:11,300 call them threats or just make them 572 00:25:15,970 --> 00:25:13,610 predictions but he thinks that a major 573 00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:15,980 you offend UFO event is gonna happen I 574 00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,710 think before 2020 is what he said but I 575 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:21,200 think the average person if if you walk 576 00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:24,410 through the mall today and asked at the 577 00:25:27,970 --> 00:25:26,030 average Canadian if they if they know 578 00:25:32,140 --> 00:25:27,980 about Paul Hellyer they would they would 579 00:25:33,850 --> 00:25:32,150 have no idea I'm sure of it okay so what 580 00:25:35,890 --> 00:25:33,860 are some of what are some of the 581 00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:35,900 interesting cases now last time you were 582 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:38,780 on I believe prior to me running up to 583 00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,130 shag Harbor we talked about the guy that 584 00:25:48,550 --> 00:25:45,200 is the raccoon whisperer 585 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:48,560 right yeah that's the that's the clarin 586 00:25:53,530 --> 00:25:50,410 Vil Newfoundland event that was the 587 00:25:56,590 --> 00:25:53,540 police officer who saw something bizarre 588 00:25:58,330 --> 00:25:56,600 and clarin Vil Newfoundland and he even 589 00:26:01,420 --> 00:25:58,340 looked at it through his police 590 00:26:02,830 --> 00:26:01,430 surveillance equipment and we did we did 591 00:26:05,710 --> 00:26:02,840 the episode about him together on my 592 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:05,720 show with Alejandro as well and now he's 593 00:26:10,030 --> 00:26:08,510 no longer researching UFOs instead he 594 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:10,040 lives in the middle of the woods and 595 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:12,290 feeds raccoons out of his living room 596 00:26:16,690 --> 00:26:14,810 yeah there's some YouTube videos that 597 00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:16,700 may come in like a big swarm of them 598 00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:19,550 come here he feeds some hotdogs it's 599 00:26:23,890 --> 00:26:21,500 kind of terrifying but I guess that's 600 00:26:26,380 --> 00:26:23,900 what he likes I don't know what that 601 00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:26,390 does for his credibility yeah so I was I 602 00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:27,830 was trying when I was trying to explain 603 00:26:33,610 --> 00:26:31,070 to people how reputable it was that you 604 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:33,620 know a police officer had experienced 605 00:26:38,020 --> 00:26:35,570 this and wrote the reports and there was 606 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:38,030 all these witnesses yeah that sounds 607 00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,170 really great but then when you get to 608 00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:41,360 the point that he now lives among 609 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:45,200 raccoons you're kind of I changed his 610 00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:45,650 life 611 00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:48,350 yeah yeah he's a very honest guy and 612 00:26:52,990 --> 00:26:49,760 that's it that's a great story but 613 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:53,000 that's all though you know that story we 614 00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:54,770 spoke about it that's not one of the 615 00:27:01,060 --> 00:26:58,400 major Canadian UFO events really in 616 00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:01,070 Canada there's there's two or three main 617 00:27:06,130 --> 00:27:03,800 events and when it comes to the UFO 618 00:27:09,220 --> 00:27:06,140 phenomenon two of them occurred in nine 619 00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:09,230 1867 within months of each other one was 620 00:27:14,890 --> 00:27:11,870 the the shag Harbor event or the shag 621 00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:14,900 harbour incident which was in Nova 622 00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:17,390 Scotia where I'm living and that was 623 00:27:22,030 --> 00:27:19,910 basically a UFO event seen by a whole 624 00:27:24,790 --> 00:27:22,040 community it was investigated by 625 00:27:27,070 --> 00:27:24,800 government that was dives team said sent 626 00:27:30,550 --> 00:27:27,080 out into the water and you know that was 627 00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:30,560 a people call a Canada's Roswell just 628 00:27:34,060 --> 00:27:31,910 because of the amount of attention it 629 00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:34,070 got from government investigators 630 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:36,710 civilian investigators and just managed 631 00:27:40,930 --> 00:27:38,930 to capture the attention of everyday 632 00:27:42,490 --> 00:27:40,940 Canadians and you know the media and 633 00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:42,500 whatnot there's a whole bunch of cool 634 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:45,110 newspaper articles from that time so 635 00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:47,210 that was in 67 and the other big one 636 00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:50,270 really in 67 the opposite side of the 637 00:27:54,820 --> 00:27:52,910 country is the Falcon Lake incident 638 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:54,830 which happened in in Manitoba I'm sure 639 00:28:00,580 --> 00:27:56,930 you've heard about that one oh yeah the 640 00:28:03,010 --> 00:28:00,590 the the grill marks yep that was that's 641 00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:03,020 that's a pretty that's a fairly solid 642 00:28:07,210 --> 00:28:04,990 case wouldn't you consider that 643 00:28:10,420 --> 00:28:07,220 definitely and it's left some trace 644 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:10,430 evidence as well Kris rutkowski who we 645 00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,410 called the Canadian UFO guy I don't know 646 00:28:17,530 --> 00:28:14,240 if you've ever had him on a show yeah 647 00:28:21,670 --> 00:28:17,540 yeah Chris actually he's kind of the the 648 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:21,680 face of that investigating that event 649 00:28:27,490 --> 00:28:24,380 but he had a piece of metal that was 650 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:27,500 obtained from the scene that was that 651 00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:29,930 has been tested it's it's now I think 652 00:28:34,570 --> 00:28:32,270 sealed behind glass but it was tested 653 00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,580 and I don't know a lot about this stuff 654 00:28:39,010 --> 00:28:36,080 this is probably like a question for 655 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:39,020 like Stan Freedman but the it the 656 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:41,570 radioactive signature of the metal is on 657 00:28:46,690 --> 00:28:44,450 like any other radioactive signature 658 00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:46,700 that would be associated with metals I 659 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:48,710 don't know what that means but I do know 660 00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:51,850 that it made it it made a very unique 661 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:54,320 artifact left behind from the from the 662 00:28:58,030 --> 00:28:56,810 sighting but you know that's a falcon 663 00:29:00,990 --> 00:28:58,040 like it's just it's a very believable 664 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:01,000 story much like shag harbour the witness 665 00:29:06,250 --> 00:29:04,130 doesn't seem to have any connection with 666 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:06,260 the UFO phenomenon or any reason to make 667 00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,050 something up or lie he also received 668 00:29:14,290 --> 00:29:11,120 injuries you mentioned the grill marks 669 00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:14,300 the witness of the Falcon Lake event got 670 00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:16,910 close enough to a UFO or some type of 671 00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:20,000 object the exhaust that came out of a 672 00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:24,140 Grill left a really bizarre burn on his 673 00:29:27,550 --> 00:29:25,940 body and you know there's pictures all 674 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:27,560 over the Internet if you search Falcon 675 00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,210 Lake you'll you'll see them laying in a 676 00:29:33,910 --> 00:29:31,760 hospital bed like that but what's cool 677 00:29:37,150 --> 00:29:33,920 about Falcon Lake you may have seen this 678 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:37,160 going around the UFO news is just 679 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:39,290 recently the Canadian Mint released a 680 00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,570 coin commemorating it yeah did you see 681 00:29:46,540 --> 00:29:43,520 this I did I saw that yeah yeah so the 682 00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:46,550 coin is the shape of an alien head and 683 00:29:51,550 --> 00:29:49,340 it has a picture of like the guy Stan 684 00:29:54,610 --> 00:29:51,560 Michalak laying on his back with the UFO 685 00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,620 kind of hovering above him but what's 686 00:29:56,980 --> 00:29:56,240 cool about the coin is it's it's 687 00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,990 glow-in-the-dark 688 00:30:00,970 --> 00:29:58,880 so if it's when it's in the dark it's a 689 00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:00,980 it's a different version of the picture 690 00:30:05,050 --> 00:30:02,960 that glows it's beautiful Wow it's also 691 00:30:06,940 --> 00:30:05,060 like a hundred and forty dollars or 692 00:30:09,130 --> 00:30:06,950 something like that right yeah I think 693 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:09,140 it was 140 Canadian which is I think of 694 00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,690 a $15.00 American the way they exchange 695 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:14,000 works now but no that's exaggerating but 696 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:17,810 yes it's I think it was only like 3,000 697 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:21,530 of them made and they yeah there are 698 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:23,090 about a hundred and thirty the face 699 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:25,490 value of it's twenty dollars but they 700 00:30:28,570 --> 00:30:27,050 sold out immediately and I think they're 701 00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:28,580 already on eBay for a couple hundred 702 00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:32,000 dollars more than they sold for so it's 703 00:30:36,610 --> 00:30:35,270 a you know I don't know much of a coin 704 00:30:38,410 --> 00:30:36,620 collection I guess that's kind of up 705 00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:38,420 your alley a little bit but I know the 706 00:30:43,930 --> 00:30:42,230 not for the contemporary but okay so now 707 00:30:46,420 --> 00:30:43,940 what about this piece of metal you just 708 00:30:48,490 --> 00:30:46,430 spoke about had that besides 709 00:30:51,370 --> 00:30:48,500 radioactivity did they do like an 710 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:51,380 analysis of the metals and alloy or 711 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:53,930 whatever it is there's been a lot of 712 00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,690 testing done of it but the thing is and 713 00:31:00,400 --> 00:30:58,880 it's I don't know if this is uncommon or 714 00:31:03,610 --> 00:31:00,410 if this is common for a lot of UFO 715 00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:03,620 events is basically every detail of the 716 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:06,500 tests has been disputed by kind of 717 00:31:11,950 --> 00:31:09,530 competing factions the one community who 718 00:31:14,530 --> 00:31:11,960 believes every test or every you know 719 00:31:16,810 --> 00:31:14,540 scientist involved in it or you know 720 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:16,820 crook it and doing things wrong so it's 721 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:20,690 it's it's hard to kind of to to swim 722 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:23,770 through the swamp that surrounds the 723 00:31:30,130 --> 00:31:26,930 investigation into that Chris Rutkowski 724 00:31:32,110 --> 00:31:30,140 be the guy to to explain it I don't know 725 00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:32,120 the size well enough but I do know that 726 00:31:37,070 --> 00:31:33,870 all all the 727 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:37,080 of it what has been released basically 728 00:31:42,409 --> 00:31:38,970 shows that it's anomalous in every way 729 00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,419 but as a being a skeptic and being 730 00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:45,120 skeptical myself I feel like if it was 731 00:31:48,649 --> 00:31:46,860 that anomalous you know the government 732 00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:48,659 would have taken it and you know have 733 00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:50,460 figured it out so I kind of have a 734 00:31:56,390 --> 00:31:54,299 question mark around that so this piece 735 00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:56,400 of metal did it just fall off the craft 736 00:32:03,590 --> 00:31:59,760 or what I mean it was it was found this 737 00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:03,600 on in the site of where the the UFO 738 00:32:08,889 --> 00:32:06,360 event occurred basically the the witness 739 00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:08,899 to the Falcon Lake sighting he was 740 00:32:13,549 --> 00:32:11,700 interested in he was like into geology 741 00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:13,559 so he would go on these long walks and 742 00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:16,620 basically look for odd rocks and such 743 00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:19,110 and he was basically in the middle of 744 00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:21,000 nowhere in this area called Falcon Lake 745 00:32:28,060 --> 00:32:25,860 and witnessed a craft basically land he 746 00:32:30,110 --> 00:32:28,070 approached he thought it was an 747 00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,120 experimental like kind of like maybe 748 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:32,399 like experimental aircraft or something 749 00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:34,890 so he approached it and was saying like 750 00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:36,360 is everybody okay in there like what's 751 00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:39,000 going on and he spoke several languages 752 00:32:44,060 --> 00:32:40,679 so he's he's going through different 753 00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:44,070 languages asking if people are okay he 754 00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:46,350 didn't see anybody but he did see like a 755 00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:48,899 grill of kind of a whole bunch of little 756 00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:50,760 holes on the side so when he kind of 757 00:32:57,169 --> 00:32:54,120 approached that grill that was when the 758 00:32:59,480 --> 00:32:57,179 object lifted up in an exhaust came out 759 00:33:02,480 --> 00:32:59,490 of that grill and left the the pattern 760 00:33:05,299 --> 00:33:02,490 burn mark he eventually made it back to 761 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:05,309 safety and was in the hospital to be 762 00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,289 treated and whatnot and in the days 763 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:09,600 weeks months and now years after that 764 00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:11,490 people have gone in and around that area 765 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:14,039 looking for evidence that may have been 766 00:33:18,850 --> 00:33:15,960 left behind in the days immediately 767 00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:18,860 after it there was a clearing found 768 00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:22,380 where the event had occurred and that's 769 00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:23,640 that's where the piece of metal was 770 00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:26,480 found oh I see now what about 771 00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:30,000 radioactive burns is that what he 772 00:33:35,419 --> 00:33:32,100 actually had did they ever figure out 773 00:33:37,820 --> 00:33:35,429 what he had yeah was some type of some 774 00:33:40,820 --> 00:33:37,830 type of burn from radiation they really 775 00:33:43,460 --> 00:33:40,830 want that well yeah and it's if you look 776 00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:43,470 at it it's like the the the the look on 777 00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:46,110 his chest from the photos from back then 778 00:33:49,670 --> 00:33:47,700 they're high-resolution 779 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:49,680 so you get a really good look it's a 780 00:33:56,060 --> 00:33:51,570 very clear pattern it almost looks like 781 00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:56,070 he was branded by you know a hot a grid 782 00:34:01,880 --> 00:33:58,650 of circles basically a crosses across as 783 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:01,890 a lower chest now I may be confusing 784 00:34:07,820 --> 00:34:05,250 this with upper United States but there 785 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:07,830 was a really amazing sighting that was 786 00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:11,010 seen around a major lake or something by 787 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:13,470 a lot of people very very large craft is 788 00:34:18,140 --> 00:34:15,290 that does that ring any bells to you 789 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:18,150 no that wouldn't be Falcon likes Falcon 790 00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:19,650 line no no I'm not talking about Falcon 791 00:34:25,850 --> 00:34:22,500 I'm talking about another sighting no no 792 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:25,860 that that doesn't it Sam no I'm not sure 793 00:34:29,330 --> 00:34:27,570 what you'd be thinking about that yeah 794 00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:29,340 that might have been that could have 795 00:34:34,630 --> 00:34:32,220 been like either Michigan or someplace 796 00:34:37,330 --> 00:34:34,640 like that possibly what about some other 797 00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:37,340 noted sightings that you can talk about 798 00:34:45,470 --> 00:34:42,990 well there's Canada has one that I 799 00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:45,480 really enjoyed I'm I think I may have 800 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:46,679 told you about this when we met in 801 00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:50,250 person this is Kensington Pei so Pei is 802 00:34:54,890 --> 00:34:52,740 Prince Edward Island it's a island near 803 00:34:59,210 --> 00:34:54,900 Nova Scotia not too far from shag 804 00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,220 harbour right it was in 2014 and this is 805 00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:01,200 one that this event is one you and 806 00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:03,110 Alejandra would love because the news 807 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:06,270 the media really grabbed onto this and 808 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:08,910 there was a basically a battle fought in 809 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:11,730 the media between MUFON investigators 810 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:14,850 and a whole bunch of people from 811 00:35:18,490 --> 00:35:16,050 different disciplines who are 812 00:35:22,070 --> 00:35:18,500 criticizing the MUFON investigation 813 00:35:24,350 --> 00:35:22,080 basically what it was was a guy he was 814 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:24,360 on a campground in Kensington Pei and 815 00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:27,930 the campground overlooked the Bay of 816 00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:29,880 Fundy I believe it was like a large body 817 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:34,070 of water this area there wouldn't be 818 00:35:39,020 --> 00:35:36,690 plane traffic helicopters there's no 819 00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:39,030 major city there so at night it's pitch 820 00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:41,190 black he was basically it was him and 821 00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:44,220 his wife had a bonfire she went to bed 822 00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,260 and he kind of sat up until you know the 823 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:48,960 embers put themselves so basically and 824 00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:51,090 while he was sitting there he was the 825 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:52,440 way he described it he was just kind of 826 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:53,970 on his phone flipping through the news 827 00:35:59,120 --> 00:35:57,570 and whatnot and saw a weird light in the 828 00:36:00,920 --> 00:35:59,130 sky as he was doing this so he just kind 829 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:00,930 of looked at it being like you know he 830 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:01,530 he 831 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:11,850 thought like that's weird I've never 832 00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:14,010 really seen a bright light floating in 833 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:15,540 the skies around here and so he watched 834 00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:18,570 it eventually it was moving erratically 835 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:20,990 so he started filming it on his on his 836 00:36:25,340 --> 00:36:24,090 iPhone or whatever and he filmed it and 837 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:25,350 as he's filming it he's kind of 838 00:36:29,330 --> 00:36:26,970 narrating what he's seeing and he 839 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:29,340 watched it for maybe a half hour as the 840 00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:31,170 thing just kind of danced around the sky 841 00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:34,110 getting brighter getting darker lower 842 00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:36,030 higher didn't really seem to have any 843 00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,270 specific pattern eventually the light 844 00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,280 just basically dissolved into nothing 845 00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:43,680 and you know and it just disappeared but 846 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:46,710 he he was sure it was something unique 847 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:49,530 the next morning he saw some what 848 00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:51,810 appeared to be military helicopters in 849 00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:54,360 the area which was also bizarre so he he 850 00:36:59,420 --> 00:36:56,940 thought and also at a place so he 851 00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,430 started googling how do you report a UFO 852 00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:01,200 sighting because that's what he believed 853 00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:03,540 it to be he stumbled upon boo fons 854 00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:06,150 website and filled out whatever you fill 855 00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:07,860 out to report it and he sent them their 856 00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:10,260 videos and his videos and didn't think 857 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:12,540 anything of it until about think of the 858 00:37:16,610 --> 00:37:13,770 way he explained it to me it was about 859 00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,620 eight months later he heard from MUFON 860 00:37:20,510 --> 00:37:18,480 who explained that they had sent an 861 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:20,520 investigator and they weren't able to 862 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:22,170 come up with an explanation so they 863 00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:25,970 ruled it a unexplained you know sighting 864 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:32,160 then see CBC which is our national media 865 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:34,770 they did a story basically saying you 866 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:37,170 know this civilian or this UFO 867 00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:39,090 investigation group investigated his 868 00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:41,940 sighting and deemed it a certified UFO 869 00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:44,460 that couldn't be explained they posted 870 00:37:49,460 --> 00:37:47,310 his video and a brief explanation but 871 00:37:51,110 --> 00:37:49,470 then it was two days later maybe a 872 00:37:53,420 --> 00:37:51,120 follow-up article where they were 873 00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:53,430 quoting you know an astronomer says it's 874 00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:55,740 this and they you know some expert on 875 00:37:59,240 --> 00:37:57,930 drones said it was a drone and they had 876 00:38:01,460 --> 00:37:59,250 all these different people that were 877 00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:01,470 kind of debunking it and it led to this 878 00:38:06,740 --> 00:38:04,110 back and forth but it was it led for it 879 00:38:09,350 --> 00:38:06,750 led to a lot of really cool news 880 00:38:12,020 --> 00:38:09,360 articles my video with the video the 881 00:38:14,180 --> 00:38:12,030 video itself that he took is a little on 882 00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:14,190 remarkable because of course when you're 883 00:38:17,779 --> 00:38:15,420 if you're filming a 884 00:38:19,460 --> 00:38:17,789 bright light in the sky at night it's 885 00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:19,470 you know it's a black screen with a 886 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:22,740 little dot but his narration serves as a 887 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:26,450 very cool first-hand account especially 888 00:38:32,089 --> 00:38:29,730 given the fact that he's giving the 889 00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:32,099 narration as he's filming it but now 890 00:38:36,799 --> 00:38:34,380 let's hear some of the sightings that 891 00:38:38,809 --> 00:38:36,809 people have written to you do you have 892 00:38:42,190 --> 00:38:38,819 any of those available oh yeah I have a 893 00:38:44,839 --> 00:38:42,200 whole slew of them I have even before I 894 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:44,849 began collecting stories for UFOs above 895 00:38:49,940 --> 00:38:47,250 Canada since I cover the UFO phenomenon 896 00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:49,950 so much on my podcast nighttime I'll get 897 00:38:55,490 --> 00:38:53,640 people writing to me just sharing their 898 00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:55,500 story and seeing if I'm interested but 899 00:39:03,019 --> 00:38:59,940 now in the last probably two weeks might 900 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:03,029 when I open my email I just have a slew 901 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:04,890 of these so I'll what I'll do is to make 902 00:39:09,620 --> 00:39:07,609 it interesting I'm not I'm not 903 00:39:11,180 --> 00:39:09,630 vetting these I'm just gonna go at 904 00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:11,190 random and kind of grab a few and read 905 00:39:14,509 --> 00:39:12,720 them to you okay we have about five 906 00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:14,519 minutes just to let you know yeah that's 907 00:39:18,019 --> 00:39:15,900 fine there's a lot I'll go with some 908 00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:18,029 shorter ones Mauritius for this first 909 00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:21,720 one is from a jeff dick a this sighting 910 00:39:28,249 --> 00:39:26,670 occurred in 1975 and Victoria BC nice 911 00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:28,259 and short he says on my way home from 912 00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,079 work at about 1:00 a.m. I spotted seven 913 00:39:35,980 --> 00:39:33,119 orange glowing orbs that appeared to be 914 00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:35,990 dancing in the sky for about ten minutes 915 00:39:41,650 --> 00:39:39,180 for about ten minutes for that period of 916 00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:41,660 time I spotted them at about 20 degrees 917 00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:45,180 low on the horizon short and sweet so 918 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:47,609 not much how much there is it was a bit 919 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:50,130 longer of one I was actually the same 920 00:39:56,329 --> 00:39:53,730 same guy my wife and I were heading to 921 00:39:59,569 --> 00:39:56,339 Winnipeg went up in the clouds we saw a 922 00:40:02,509 --> 00:39:59,579 large red glow the object descended from 923 00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:02,519 the clouds and was visible as a long bar 924 00:40:08,779 --> 00:40:05,700 maybe 200 feet long it was completely 925 00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:08,789 lit in bright red light as we travel 926 00:40:13,759 --> 00:40:11,369 along the object cast a red glow around 927 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:13,769 us like a floodlight and followed us for 928 00:40:18,259 --> 00:40:16,650 about 10 kilometers I kept driving as I 929 00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:18,269 didn't want to stop and risk the 930 00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:21,000 consequences suddenly the light 931 00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:22,920 surrounding has stopped in the craft 932 00:40:27,269 --> 00:40:25,680 ascended back above the clouds and out 933 00:40:29,370 --> 00:40:27,279 of sight 934 00:40:31,890 --> 00:40:29,380 mmm that's it that's a good one yeah 935 00:40:34,739 --> 00:40:31,900 yeah I like that story that reminds me 936 00:40:36,509 --> 00:40:34,749 of when I was on your show in the past I 937 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:36,519 talked about this but my introduction to 938 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:39,729 the UFO phenomenon is my when I was a 939 00:40:44,149 --> 00:40:41,249 kid my grandmother and grandfather 940 00:40:47,459 --> 00:40:44,159 claimed to have had a very similar 941 00:40:49,979 --> 00:40:47,469 experience with basically a large light 942 00:40:52,739 --> 00:40:49,989 hovering above their car eventually to 943 00:40:54,749 --> 00:40:52,749 just dissolve and fly away it reminds me 944 00:40:57,059 --> 00:40:54,759 of this although this sighting is from 945 00:41:02,759 --> 00:40:57,069 the opposite side of Canada mm-hmm 946 00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:02,769 let's grab another one here yeah here's 947 00:41:08,609 --> 00:41:04,630 a bit longer so this one is from a 948 00:41:10,380 --> 00:41:08,619 Duncan Chisolm summer 2004 in western 949 00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,390 Newfoundland so not a great deal from 950 00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:12,880 from where you are it says that about 951 00:41:17,279 --> 00:41:15,369 11:00 p.m. I was finishing a campfire in 952 00:41:19,499 --> 00:41:17,289 my backyard and getting ready to go to 953 00:41:22,799 --> 00:41:19,509 bed and I saw the set of lights move 954 00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:22,809 halfway across the sky it was a triangle 955 00:41:27,209 --> 00:41:25,209 shaped with four lights each tip of the 956 00:41:29,399 --> 00:41:27,219 triangle in one dead center 957 00:41:32,609 --> 00:41:29,409 the lights changed color from red to 958 00:41:34,019 --> 00:41:32,619 yellow to bright white the white was so 959 00:41:36,809 --> 00:41:34,029 bright it almost looked blue 960 00:41:40,620 --> 00:41:36,819 it stopped dead center over my town and 961 00:41:43,380 --> 00:41:40,630 moved with very short precise zigzags 962 00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:43,390 across the sky I watched as the craft 963 00:41:48,539 --> 00:41:46,209 lowered closer to Earth and within one 964 00:41:50,699 --> 00:41:48,549 final glint it shot through a cloud and 965 00:41:53,189 --> 00:41:50,709 caught a perfectly straight uniform 966 00:41:55,319 --> 00:41:53,199 light through it and then he says I 967 00:41:56,609 --> 00:41:55,329 never spoke much about it as these 968 00:41:58,799 --> 00:41:56,619 people who I brought it up to you 969 00:42:01,919 --> 00:41:58,809 thought I was crazy or after dipping 970 00:42:03,689 --> 00:42:01,929 into the moonshine I I only realize 971 00:42:05,939 --> 00:42:03,699 exactly what it was after seeing some 972 00:42:08,339 --> 00:42:05,949 very similar footage many years later as 973 00:42:11,189 --> 00:42:08,349 well as hearing similar testimony online 974 00:42:14,219 --> 00:42:11,199 oh that's kind of it yeah it's good one 975 00:42:16,169 --> 00:42:14,229 yeah yeah and it's a common thread as 976 00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,179 people will say I didn't think anything 977 00:42:21,989 --> 00:42:18,400 of it until years later when I you know 978 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:21,999 read this or watch this so I think one 979 00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:23,890 thing about yeah like folks like you 980 00:42:29,219 --> 00:42:26,380 covering the UFO phenomenon is it kind 981 00:42:31,649 --> 00:42:29,229 of it's almost like therapeutic for the 982 00:42:33,329 --> 00:42:31,659 people who once upon a time had 983 00:42:35,339 --> 00:42:33,339 experienced something unusual because it 984 00:42:37,769 --> 00:42:35,349 just takes hearing other people talking 985 00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:37,779 about it and you know making it all a 986 00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:40,630 bit more grounded that that people will 987 00:42:44,099 --> 00:42:41,200 come 988 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:44,109 so I think a part of the I think a part 989 00:42:48,510 --> 00:42:45,970 of the reason I got such a response to 990 00:42:50,970 --> 00:42:48,520 people emailing me as they're realizing 991 00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:50,980 in my blurb I I talked about how common 992 00:42:55,799 --> 00:42:53,710 a UFO event is and it's not something 993 00:42:58,770 --> 00:42:55,809 just for you know Star Trek fans to have 994 00:43:00,089 --> 00:42:58,780 experience so I think maybe that set 995 00:43:02,579 --> 00:43:00,099 people at ease and encourage them to 996 00:43:04,530 --> 00:43:02,589 come up with some stories I know I spoke 997 00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:04,540 with a great Bishop I think it was maybe 998 00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:07,119 three weeks ago and he was talking about 999 00:43:11,940 --> 00:43:10,000 you know being at our meeting people and 1000 00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:11,950 talking to them and and he says 1001 00:43:16,020 --> 00:43:13,990 sometimes people just unload a story on 1002 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:16,030 him and they feel better and walk away 1003 00:43:21,809 --> 00:43:18,730 you know it's like it is like a therapy 1004 00:43:23,549 --> 00:43:21,819 almost - yeah you know a lot of people 1005 00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:23,559 don't want to talk about it when they 1006 00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:25,569 finally feel comfortable talking about 1007 00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:27,089 it it's it is like a type of therapy 1008 00:43:33,150 --> 00:43:30,670 yeah I was at a this is three weeks ago 1009 00:43:35,579 --> 00:43:33,160 maybe I was at a function related to my 1010 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:35,589 to my profession my day job or my 1011 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:36,250 profession 1012 00:43:41,299 --> 00:43:39,730 and it was kind of like a like a 1013 00:43:43,650 --> 00:43:41,309 team-building type thing there was maybe 1014 00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:43,660 50 people there or something and the way 1015 00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:45,670 the activity worked is before we went to 1016 00:43:49,140 --> 00:43:47,500 the event we all had a write of fact 1017 00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:49,150 about ourselves and then when you show 1018 00:43:52,289 --> 00:43:50,680 up at the event you get a sheet and 1019 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:52,299 there's a fact about every person like 1020 00:43:55,620 --> 00:43:53,290 an interesting fact 1021 00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:55,630 and the goal was you would spend the day 1022 00:43:59,940 --> 00:43:57,609 kind of meeting everybody and then by 1023 00:44:02,520 --> 00:43:59,950 the end of the day be able to fill in or 1024 00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:02,530 have figured out who's what interesting 1025 00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:04,630 fact goes with which person so for 1026 00:44:08,579 --> 00:44:06,460 example one of them was like you know I 1027 00:44:11,069 --> 00:44:08,589 was a extra on the Pirates of the 1028 00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:11,079 Caribbean the movie let's say so as 1029 00:44:13,950 --> 00:44:12,609 you're meeting people you could ask you 1030 00:44:14,910 --> 00:44:13,960 know was that you and it give you 1031 00:44:17,339 --> 00:44:14,920 something to talk about 1032 00:44:19,859 --> 00:44:17,349 just as a to make it interesting I put 1033 00:44:21,930 --> 00:44:19,869 my interesting fact was that I spend a 1034 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:21,940 lot of time researching and reading 1035 00:44:25,799 --> 00:44:24,250 about and being involved in the UFO 1036 00:44:28,170 --> 00:44:25,809 phenomenon because I I knew it would 1037 00:44:30,270 --> 00:44:28,180 create some interesting conversation but 1038 00:44:31,890 --> 00:44:30,280 what I learned was I thought people 1039 00:44:33,690 --> 00:44:31,900 would I'm thinking you know people may 1040 00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:33,700 think I'm a little nuts because you know 1041 00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:36,880 I my professional life doesn't bring me 1042 00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:38,710 in touch with a lot of people that I 1043 00:44:44,549 --> 00:44:40,329 would think are into the paranormal but 1044 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:44,559 anyway my surprise I think everybody I 1045 00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:46,450 talked to who asked like are you the guy 1046 00:44:50,579 --> 00:44:48,609 with the UFO and I was like yeah then 1047 00:44:54,350 --> 00:44:50,589 they would then recount their UFO story 1048 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:54,360 yeah yeah yeah yeah it's not a 1049 00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:56,490 strange thing it's just people I think 1050 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:00,720 what happened is movies and TV has has 1051 00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:04,050 made the the UFO that word or whatever 1052 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:05,700 you want to call it has made that 1053 00:45:10,850 --> 00:45:08,370 associated with this fringe alien 1054 00:45:13,850 --> 00:45:10,860 spaceship thing but really that's that's 1055 00:45:15,530 --> 00:45:13,860 not what it is and it's you know it just 1056 00:45:18,250 --> 00:45:15,540 needs to be normalized and I think like 1057 00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:18,260 what's going on in the states with the 1058 00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:21,180 recently they come out with you know 1059 00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:25,350 that's the secret Pentagon threat yeah 1060 00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:27,180 that whole thing it's things like that 1061 00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:30,300 just serve to to make it a bit more more 1062 00:45:34,430 --> 00:45:32,460 reasonable for people to talk about so I 1063 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:34,440 think you know that's great yeah all 1064 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:35,850 right Jordan well thank you so much why 1065 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:38,610 don't you give out your podcast website 1066 00:45:44,060 --> 00:45:41,130 if you would yeah best way to find me is 1067 00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:44,070 my website is nighttime podcast.com or 1068 00:45:49,070 --> 00:45:45,180 you can find me on Facebook Twitter 1069 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:49,080 Instagram at nighttime pod and Martin I 1070 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:50,490 hope to have you on the show as soon as 1071 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:51,450 I launch it this summer 1072 00:45:55,580 --> 00:45:53,490 excellent all right Jordan thanks a lot 1073 00:45:59,350 --> 00:45:55,590 thanks for having me all right talk to 1074 00:46:01,820 --> 00:45:59,360 you soon all right so our next guest is 1075 00:46:02,540 --> 00:46:01,830 she's in Europe so she's been staying up 1076 00:46:09,380 --> 00:46:02,550 really late 1077 00:46:15,550 --> 00:46:09,390 and so she I'm gonna be gonna be calling 1078 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,280 here we go 1079 00:46:26,060 --> 00:46:23,150 so about her she she used to be a lawyer 1080 00:46:29,060 --> 00:46:26,070 and she was specializing in gender 1081 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:29,070 equality Human Rights and now she writes 1082 00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:33,410 up fiction she collects typewriters and 1083 00:46:49,340 --> 00:46:42,720 she is sideways alright hang on we'll 1084 00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:49,350 get you adjusted there you are your 1085 00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:56,640 right side up all right welcome to the 1086 00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:59,520 show how are you thank you thank you I'm 1087 00:47:04,210 --> 00:47:00,300 doing great 1088 00:47:07,580 --> 00:47:04,220 good and what time is it where you are 1089 00:47:15,930 --> 00:47:11,870 my goodness Wow how's the coffee going a 1090 00:47:19,170 --> 00:47:15,940 little bit of coffee yeah yeah so you 1091 00:47:21,870 --> 00:47:19,180 have this book interesting book and it's 1092 00:47:27,090 --> 00:47:21,880 your first book and not only that it is 1093 00:47:28,830 --> 00:47:27,100 a very thick book Wow lots of pages I 1094 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:28,840 saw a hundred thousand words or 1095 00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:29,730 something like that 1096 00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:35,710 amazing yeah and you four related 1097 00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:38,800 stories as well right 1098 00:47:44,970 --> 00:47:42,160 but the can you just go ahead give like 1099 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:44,980 a submissive the book you know just 1100 00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:48,130 basically it's up it's in the future and 1101 00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:49,960 there's trouble which there always seems 1102 00:47:55,590 --> 00:47:53,140 to be in the future right yeah so 1103 00:47:59,720 --> 00:47:55,600 basically in the future of humanity has 1104 00:48:02,250 --> 00:47:59,730 this gift this potential to access 1105 00:48:06,450 --> 00:48:02,260 reality through consciousness and the 1106 00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:06,460 basis of this idea is in quantum 1107 00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:09,040 theories quantum consciousness theories 1108 00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:15,310 and humans are basically like a 1109 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:18,070 planet-scale experiment of an alien race 1110 00:48:24,270 --> 00:48:20,650 who is trying to just crack the code how 1111 00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:24,280 the hell is this mediocre advanced race 1112 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:28,270 of you know beings has this potential 1113 00:48:37,020 --> 00:48:33,370 for this ability to access the fabric of 1114 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:37,030 the universal consciousness and so they 1115 00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:39,730 undertaken this giant experiment they 1116 00:48:43,850 --> 00:48:41,740 reverses engineered our race on earth 1117 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:43,860 created perfect lab books you know 1118 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:53,050 conditions and basically to there is the 1119 00:48:58,140 --> 00:48:55,450 their government also is in turmoil and 1120 00:49:03,720 --> 00:48:58,150 there is the debate whether to destroy 1121 00:49:06,810 --> 00:49:03,730 us before we fully became capable to use 1122 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:06,820 this oscillation ability and which would 1123 00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:09,610 mean that's like an ultimate weapon you 1124 00:49:16,590 --> 00:49:12,960 know they they they are not prepared to 1125 00:49:19,850 --> 00:49:16,600 fight consciousness you know for a 1126 00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:19,860 reality that is malleable and 1127 00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:25,310 so basically our human danger in lies in 1128 00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:28,800 what different government fractions of 1129 00:49:34,550 --> 00:49:31,190 the aliens decide on our behalf and 1130 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:34,560 meanwhile here and there 1131 00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:37,290 individuals pop up who actually are very 1132 00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:41,120 close to oscillate so this is the the 1133 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:45,060 broad promise the story so what what 1134 00:49:54,770 --> 00:49:47,970 inspired what inspired you to to write 1135 00:49:57,590 --> 00:49:54,780 this it was not one single event but 1136 00:50:01,940 --> 00:49:57,600 what became a push to actually write 1137 00:50:05,780 --> 00:50:01,950 down this story was me living in Liberia 1138 00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:05,790 and so basically this is where kind of 1139 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:08,880 my story begins on in Africa and 1140 00:50:16,210 --> 00:50:13,530 Liberian coast in the future some 100 1141 00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:16,220 few hundred years in the future when 1142 00:50:25,610 --> 00:50:22,740 humanity lived through environmental 1143 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:25,620 crisis related to global warming and we 1144 00:50:32,770 --> 00:50:27,570 tried to fix it we watched it entirely 1145 00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:32,780 and so long story short this tropical 1146 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:36,660 belt of Earth became the some of the 1147 00:50:46,510 --> 00:50:40,130 only habitable areas in the world so 1148 00:50:51,980 --> 00:50:46,520 living in Liberia and experiencing 1149 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:51,990 poverty that is not the fault of 1150 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:53,970 Liberians this is an extremely rich 1151 00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:56,610 country who is being that is being 1152 00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:00,480 exploited since its conception and if 1153 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:02,310 you know anything about Liberian history 1154 00:51:09,010 --> 00:51:05,130 it's the country where freed slaves of 1155 00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:09,020 the United States were repatriated and 1156 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:15,780 so basically living there and just being 1157 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:22,650 confronted with the desperate situation 1158 00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:26,850 of this country I kind of came up with 1159 00:51:33,260 --> 00:51:30,420 this premise to to fix these wrongs and 1160 00:51:36,350 --> 00:51:33,270 at least in my story so this the center 1161 00:51:39,830 --> 00:51:36,360 the civilization on earth became the 1162 00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:39,840 like the central Africa western Africa 1163 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:44,280 oh yeah that according to that what I've 1164 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:45,810 read a little bit bits and pieces of 1165 00:51:51,530 --> 00:51:48,330 your book that so basically what happens 1166 00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:51,540 in your book is that the reversing of 1167 00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:55,110 the global warming kind of went haywire 1168 00:51:59,780 --> 00:51:57,480 and everything phases but all of a 1169 00:52:02,120 --> 00:51:59,790 sudden the prime real estate is places 1170 00:52:04,220 --> 00:52:02,130 like Libya right is that kind of what 1171 00:52:09,740 --> 00:52:04,230 happened yeah exactly that's exactly 1172 00:52:14,210 --> 00:52:09,750 what happened and that's one of the sort 1173 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:14,220 of ideas why I decided to how I started 1174 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:15,090 to write the book 1175 00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:18,330 there is no single like event they 1176 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:21,480 pushed me to write this book except I've 1177 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:24,330 been writing fiction for some time this 1178 00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:26,370 is the one that ended up being published 1179 00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:32,160 first I wanted to write a story and this 1180 00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:37,800 one became like a combination like it's 1181 00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:40,380 it's my attempt to try to make sense of 1182 00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:42,630 so many mysteries in the world and so 1183 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:47,280 many science themes that in history the 1184 00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:50,010 that I'm fascinated with so it's kind of 1185 00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:53,640 like a multi-faceted story uh-huh and 1186 00:52:57,770 --> 00:52:55,950 you've looked into things like the 1187 00:52:59,930 --> 00:52:57,780 Battle of LA and things like that you've 1188 00:53:00,920 --> 00:52:59,940 looked into these things these yeah 1189 00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:00,930 absolutely 1190 00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:05,250 so the story is because of course in my 1191 00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,160 universe the alien presence is we have 1192 00:53:15,230 --> 00:53:12,960 valiant presence on earth and very 1193 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:15,240 active Alvin president so basically from 1194 00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:18,530 that premise I started to untangling 1195 00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:22,440 this sort of bowl of ER and it became an 1196 00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:25,920 exercise in whatever so I would take a 1197 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:27,990 piece of history like for example the 1198 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:30,570 known UFO sightings or some historic 1199 00:53:36,860 --> 00:53:34,050 events and sort of put it into 1200 00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:36,870 perspective of this alien race doing the 1201 00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:40,920 experiment on earth and so it became the 1202 00:53:46,420 --> 00:53:44,960 what-if game like for example what if 1203 00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:46,430 aliens 1204 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:49,760 are really watching us where would they 1205 00:53:57,609 --> 00:53:54,890 be and so a lot of color and mythology 1206 00:54:01,569 --> 00:53:57,619 but it's like moral exciting's there's a 1207 00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:01,579 lot of claim that aliens might be hiding 1208 00:54:06,670 --> 00:54:04,670 either submerged somewhere in the ocean 1209 00:54:08,770 --> 00:54:06,680 because we don't go there all that much 1210 00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:08,780 we you know we know about the ocean 1211 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:10,880 floor even less than we know about the 1212 00:54:17,650 --> 00:54:15,290 surrounding space to be honest so there 1213 00:54:21,130 --> 00:54:17,660 was like one piece of what-if puzzle 1214 00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:21,140 then I took a few you for sightings like 1215 00:54:30,010 --> 00:54:25,250 let's say the oldest one that I worked 1216 00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:30,020 with is in 1982 for example there was 1217 00:54:39,339 --> 00:54:35,480 this classic triangle UFO sighting over 1218 00:54:42,690 --> 00:54:39,349 the moon in Lebanon Connecticut and two 1219 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:42,700 brothers autonomous they noticed this 1220 00:54:54,490 --> 00:54:48,170 triangle UFOs over the disks disk of the 1221 00:54:56,289 --> 00:54:54,500 moon and they made a record of it and in 1222 00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,299 what happened in Los Angeles was 1223 00:55:01,359 --> 00:54:58,640 particularly fascinating so basically 1224 00:55:05,049 --> 00:55:01,369 again this is was it was an exercise in 1225 00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,059 whatever what if aliens are here and we 1226 00:55:11,470 --> 00:55:07,280 have this and they got a glimpse of 1227 00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,480 these your previous speaker like really 1228 00:55:15,220 --> 00:55:13,520 there is this overwhelming consensus of 1229 00:55:19,170 --> 00:55:15,230 the sightings there are several 1230 00:55:22,539 --> 00:55:19,180 categories but there is a lot of 1231 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:22,549 information that can be categorized very 1232 00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:25,130 nicely if the triangle shaped objects or 1233 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:30,319 you know there's certain patterns why so 1234 00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:34,250 I was thinking whoa the aliens be doing 1235 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:37,599 on earth if what are they doing while 1236 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:40,970 you know we observe them sort of and in 1237 00:55:48,190 --> 00:55:45,530 my story I connected to the sightings 1238 00:55:52,569 --> 00:55:48,200 were like mass healings occur like for 1239 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:52,579 example the one of the big miracles in 1240 00:55:58,180 --> 00:55:55,970 Portugal in 1917 that occurred and not 1241 00:56:00,010 --> 00:55:58,190 to offend anybody's religious beliefs I 1242 00:56:03,580 --> 00:56:00,020 don't know but this is a big 1243 00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:03,590 like like holy place our lady fed of 1244 00:56:11,110 --> 00:56:07,520 Fatima in 1917 a big apparition of Lady 1245 00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:11,120 Mary and mass healing and when I read 1246 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:15,470 about that story even how the Mary 1247 00:56:22,030 --> 00:56:17,570 describes she described is more like a 1248 00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:22,040 well I saw it as a holographic image 1249 00:56:27,850 --> 00:56:24,110 like a holographic projection mouth 1250 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:27,860 didn't move so I put that into context 1251 00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,210 of aliens performing healing mass 1252 00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,400 healing operations on their test 1253 00:56:40,650 --> 00:56:37,040 subjects because the ability to 1254 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:40,660 oscillate comes with a whole bunch of 1255 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:44,690 like diseases like cancers various or 1256 00:56:49,770 --> 00:56:47,570 immune deficiencies in so basically to 1257 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:49,780 keep their experiment going they need to 1258 00:56:55,450 --> 00:56:53,450 keep those viable samples alive long 1259 00:56:57,310 --> 00:56:55,460 enough to procreate so that that 1260 00:56:58,780 --> 00:56:57,320 explains all the sightings that we 1261 00:57:01,720 --> 00:56:58,790 experience you can group them however 1262 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:01,730 you want but this becomes the premise of 1263 00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:08,330 my story and so I described the 1264 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:12,110 sightings of 1942 in in Los Angeles 1265 00:57:19,660 --> 00:57:15,290 which Belen completely captivates my 1266 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:19,670 imagination because every time a big 1267 00:57:23,530 --> 00:57:21,650 military response is involved I'm 1268 00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:23,540 thinking to myself there's a lot of 1269 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:26,960 military generals smart people who see a 1270 00:57:33,220 --> 00:57:29,810 lot of stuff they they they know how to 1271 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:33,230 identify an airplane or you know 1272 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:36,770 anything you know and and in 1942 what 1273 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:39,050 happened a lot of ammunition was 1274 00:57:44,430 --> 00:57:40,970 discharged in the sky and even there 1275 00:57:48,490 --> 00:57:44,440 were casualties from the debris so I 1276 00:57:52,030 --> 00:57:48,500 that that clearly says to me okay there 1277 00:57:58,300 --> 00:57:52,040 there is a big smoking gun there in that 1278 00:58:03,130 --> 00:57:58,310 story and the way the sight the the UFOs 1279 00:58:06,910 --> 00:58:03,140 skolem UFOs were described and I will by 1280 00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,920 eyewitnesses the the military people the 1281 00:58:12,220 --> 00:58:08,480 way they showed up on the radars that 1282 00:58:15,890 --> 00:58:12,230 did not fit into the pattern of any non 1283 00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:15,900 flying object or the American power or 1284 00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:19,440 any other powerful for that matter known 1285 00:58:24,290 --> 00:58:22,380 to humanity so the same same pattern 1286 00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:24,300 repeated about ten years later in 1287 00:58:29,810 --> 00:58:26,760 Washington DC a nose again mass fighting 1288 00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:29,820 over a course of several weeks actually 1289 00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:33,000 and I read somewhere on the air and that 1290 00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:34,110 cash 1291 00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:36,240 I don't know how verified that is but 1292 00:58:40,940 --> 00:58:38,310 even some say that John McCain was one 1293 00:58:43,610 --> 00:58:40,950 of the people who making the day 1294 00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:43,620 witnessed that that I don't know if that 1295 00:58:47,660 --> 00:58:45,960 is verified but like I just found that a 1296 00:58:49,580 --> 00:58:47,670 little bit of fascinating piece of 1297 00:58:53,020 --> 00:58:49,590 information which would be cool to ask 1298 00:58:59,590 --> 00:58:53,030 him someday that's true and I'll but 1299 00:59:03,050 --> 00:58:59,600 anyhow the same pattern dispatched 1300 00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:03,060 aircrafts air force involved several 1301 00:59:07,220 --> 00:59:04,160 [Music] 1302 00:59:10,460 --> 00:59:07,230 aircrafts are trying to intercept these 1303 00:59:12,590 --> 00:59:10,470 flying objects and they just make fool 1304 00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:12,600 fool out of everybody and yet they are 1305 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:18,480 clearly caught on the radars land on on 1306 00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:20,970 the radars on the tarmac of the 1307 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:25,440 airplanes in in the sky on the radar so 1308 00:59:30,890 --> 00:59:27,450 like when there is such a multiple level 1309 00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:30,900 of verification of the event you can 1310 00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:34,080 quite easily just put it out to the 1311 00:59:38,810 --> 00:59:35,880 weather balloons or whatever would not 1312 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:38,820 yeah the one in LA didn't didn't that 1313 00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:42,810 the craft aircrafts just like hover they 1314 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:44,460 didn't they were just stationary weren't 1315 00:59:50,540 --> 00:59:47,730 they first yeah just really bizarre the 1316 00:59:53,780 --> 00:59:50,550 the the bizarre part about the case was 1317 00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:53,790 and you you need to remember the context 1318 01:00:02,600 --> 00:59:57,530 1942 that's the the world war two 1319 01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:02,610 intentions with with the with the 1320 01:00:07,580 --> 01:00:04,740 Japanese so there was like high military 1321 01:00:12,530 --> 01:00:07,590 alert and these objects were Harvard 1322 01:00:14,810 --> 01:00:12,540 hovering over the ammunition factory at 1323 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:14,820 first and they moved downtown so there 1324 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:17,930 was you know they were in strategic 1325 01:00:26,180 --> 01:00:21,930 locations and again when we read ufology 1326 01:00:30,740 --> 01:00:26,190 accounts we often kind of 1327 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:30,750 sightings - like even nuclear sites 1328 01:00:38,210 --> 01:00:35,130 classified sites or whatever reason it 1329 01:00:41,420 --> 01:00:38,220 seems like the UFOs have particular 1330 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:41,430 interest to the fact that we are capable 1331 01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:43,770 of destroying ourselves because 1332 01:00:49,310 --> 01:00:45,540 obviously we don't pose any threat to 1333 01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:49,320 any other race that made its way over 1334 01:01:00,740 --> 01:00:54,480 here yet but yeah we pose more of a 1335 01:01:04,790 --> 01:01:00,750 threat to ourselves yeah so that the one 1336 01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:04,800 in yeah the 1952 that's that's 1337 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:08,880 fascinating that they were outrun and 1338 01:01:12,340 --> 01:01:10,050 you know they kept trying to go after 1339 01:01:14,690 --> 01:01:12,350 them and all that earlier you mentioned 1340 01:01:17,060 --> 01:01:14,700 I know it's party a book but the 1341 01:01:19,010 --> 01:01:17,070 oscillating what is that is that 1342 01:01:20,859 --> 01:01:19,020 something you just thought up or is 1343 01:01:29,660 --> 01:01:20,869 there any type of science behind that 1344 01:01:35,590 --> 01:01:29,670 yeah theory there is amazing my science 1345 01:01:41,450 --> 01:01:35,600 premise is by the British phenomenal 1346 01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:41,460 scientists Roger Penrose and he's he's 1347 01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,260 just as a bit of a brilliant 1348 01:01:51,650 --> 01:01:48,480 mathematician and physicist and he is 1349 01:01:56,660 --> 01:01:51,660 like royally recognised by the highest 1350 01:01:58,609 --> 01:01:56,670 awards and but less when I bring up his 1351 01:02:00,800 --> 01:01:58,619 name people who just don't read a lot 1352 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:00,810 deeper in science they they know Stephen 1353 01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:04,650 Hawking for example but they know less 1354 01:02:10,340 --> 01:02:07,380 of Roger Penrose but Roger Penrose is a 1355 01:02:15,140 --> 01:02:10,350 very interesting scientist because he 1356 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:15,150 was forced in his research to confront 1357 01:02:22,730 --> 01:02:18,330 the connection of human consciousness as 1358 01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:22,740 a sort of a quantum computer to not 1359 01:02:30,349 --> 01:02:24,810 think of it as kind of a like a binary 1360 01:02:33,380 --> 01:02:30,359 type of machine but as a quantum 1361 01:02:36,849 --> 01:02:33,390 computer that our consciousness in his 1362 01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:36,859 calculations and observations and or not 1363 01:02:48,790 --> 01:02:39,510 seems to appear on quantum level 1364 01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:48,800 and he reluctantly multiple times 1365 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:51,510 because you know scientists scientists 1366 01:02:58,130 --> 01:02:55,890 don't like to sound like cuz that 1367 01:03:00,680 --> 01:02:58,140 doesn't sound too scientific 1368 01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:00,690 you know when we talk about subatomic 1369 01:03:05,030 --> 01:03:02,880 particles and their weird behavior ok 1370 01:03:09,620 --> 01:03:05,040 that's been like 400 years around we 1371 01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:09,630 kind of grew to accept weird spooky 1372 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:12,210 action at a distance were the subatomic 1373 01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:15,690 particles but what Roger Penrose is 1374 01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:18,240 saying that our consciousness is like 1375 01:03:24,109 --> 01:03:21,660 something entirely else it's not a it's 1376 01:03:27,260 --> 01:03:24,119 not a sum of our brain cells it's 1377 01:03:30,349 --> 01:03:27,270 something more than that and it the way 1378 01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:30,359 it operates it operates on that quantum 1379 01:03:36,849 --> 01:03:34,020 level so it's like if you think of like 1380 01:03:39,410 --> 01:03:36,859 a computer code or like a program a 1381 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:39,420 program the environment which is kind of 1382 01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:42,570 our universes you know there's data 1383 01:03:46,940 --> 01:03:45,420 there's rules and laws of how it 1384 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:46,950 operates so you can think of it as a 1385 01:03:54,260 --> 01:03:50,730 code so our consciousness seems to have 1386 01:03:57,500 --> 01:03:54,270 like back door you know like back doors 1387 01:04:01,090 --> 01:03:57,510 to crack the code what he seems to say 1388 01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:01,100 and basically he cites amazing research 1389 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:07,170 done by biologists and for example he 1390 01:04:12,859 --> 01:04:09,930 also says he brought up the example of 1391 01:04:15,650 --> 01:04:12,869 baseball players so based on the speed 1392 01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:15,660 of the ball and the reaction and we know 1393 01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:18,480 how fast our eye reacts how fast our 1394 01:04:23,570 --> 01:04:20,850 muscle react so you know scientists and 1395 01:04:27,290 --> 01:04:23,580 notorious for that type of meticulous 1396 01:04:30,650 --> 01:04:27,300 calculation so you plug it on there into 1397 01:04:33,980 --> 01:04:30,660 equation and the reaction of a baseball 1398 01:04:37,700 --> 01:04:33,990 player who hist connects the bat with 1399 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:37,710 the ball and that speed does not compute 1400 01:04:44,570 --> 01:04:41,090 with our physical ability to do that so 1401 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:44,580 processes faster than our physical 1402 01:04:51,950 --> 01:04:48,210 ability to you know to process 1403 01:04:59,320 --> 01:04:54,470 so oscillation this is a term borrowed 1404 01:05:03,050 --> 01:04:59,330 from quantum physics in so I put it into 1405 01:05:07,070 --> 01:05:03,060 the science premise of my book giving 1406 01:05:12,770 --> 01:05:07,080 the humanity this potential to more 1407 01:05:16,550 --> 01:05:12,780 actively use consciousness as as as a 1408 01:05:19,250 --> 01:05:16,560 key to the reality is it is it something 1409 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:19,260 like something separate than physical 1410 01:05:30,020 --> 01:05:25,290 like as far as like the the travel I've 1411 01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:30,030 heard other people say you know that you 1412 01:05:35,710 --> 01:05:32,850 know there's that the consciousness can 1413 01:05:38,570 --> 01:05:35,720 travel you know I mean just as a theory 1414 01:05:40,660 --> 01:05:38,580 so is this like separate are they 1415 01:05:45,590 --> 01:05:40,670 separate than the beings in your book 1416 01:05:51,820 --> 01:05:45,600 the consciousness oops we may have lost 1417 01:05:55,550 --> 01:05:51,830 her that's possible she's gone 1418 01:05:59,680 --> 01:05:55,560 we will try her again hang on live 1419 01:06:02,420 --> 01:05:59,690 listener hang on we will try her back 1420 01:06:10,510 --> 01:06:02,430 there you are you back hey I'm back 1421 01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:10,520 there we go not sure basically the way 1422 01:06:18,860 --> 01:06:14,310 do you think about reality reality on 1423 01:06:20,780 --> 01:06:18,870 subatomic level is probabilities so if 1424 01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:20,790 you heard that premise from quantum 1425 01:06:27,260 --> 01:06:24,530 physics so whatever is possible it is 1426 01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:27,270 probable it might happen in some other 1427 01:06:39,609 --> 01:06:35,850 parallel she is skipping out again let's 1428 01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:45,940 all right hang on I will try her again 1429 01:06:59,709 --> 01:06:48,079 hang on everyone thank you for hanging 1430 01:07:04,450 --> 01:06:59,719 in and all right so looks like she's 1431 01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:04,460 back oh there you are okay your camera's 1432 01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:09,200 off I think but I you're on your audios 1433 01:07:18,130 --> 01:07:13,369 on can you hear us over here there you 1434 01:07:22,209 --> 01:07:18,140 are hi you are back yeah is your your 1435 01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:22,219 internet going okay over there ah seems 1436 01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:24,410 to be fine okay 1437 01:07:28,499 --> 01:07:26,569 so I looked over at my laptop it seems 1438 01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:28,509 to be connected I'm sorry my apologies 1439 01:07:34,749 --> 01:07:32,450 so let me just try to bring that thought 1440 01:07:38,739 --> 01:07:34,759 to the conclusion in the least amount of 1441 01:07:41,259 --> 01:07:38,749 sentences on subatomic level everything 1442 01:07:43,299 --> 01:07:41,269 exists in probabilities and if our 1443 01:07:46,380 --> 01:07:43,309 consciousness has access to those 1444 01:07:49,890 --> 01:07:46,390 probabilities of the events occurring 1445 01:07:52,059 --> 01:07:49,900 basically there is a potential for 1446 01:07:57,009 --> 01:07:52,069 humans to sort of access those 1447 01:08:00,519 --> 01:07:57,019 probabilities and like you know it's 1448 01:08:03,729 --> 01:08:00,529 like the toss of the coin you know if we 1449 01:08:05,769 --> 01:08:03,739 could access a quantum state where both 1450 01:08:09,099 --> 01:08:05,779 coin is in both states simultaneously 1451 01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:09,109 and we could just flip a coin to the way 1452 01:08:15,009 --> 01:08:12,529 we wanted just move to apply that in 1453 01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:15,019 fact to like for example let's say I 1454 01:08:21,849 --> 01:08:17,359 don't want a sandwich to appear before 1455 01:08:24,939 --> 01:08:21,859 me it's convenient weird example yeah or 1456 01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:24,949 or if imagine if you go and I use that 1457 01:08:31,089 --> 01:08:27,170 example in my book where people are able 1458 01:08:35,470 --> 01:08:31,099 to like gamble and predict the dice the 1459 01:08:37,419 --> 01:08:35,480 roulette you know because you access I 1460 01:08:42,220 --> 01:08:37,429 mean it's it's probabilities there's a 1461 01:08:44,379 --> 01:08:42,230 probability of certain number or color 1462 01:08:48,010 --> 01:08:44,389 and the roulette to pop up or you know 1463 01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:48,020 and if you are access the quantum pool 1464 01:08:52,930 --> 01:08:49,730 of these probabilities and you can 1465 01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:52,940 interact with that you potentially can 1466 01:09:00,849 --> 01:08:57,530 serve gain information from those 1467 01:09:04,060 --> 01:09:00,859 quantum states which when event either 1468 01:09:07,170 --> 01:09:04,070 will occur or to even influence the 1469 01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:07,180 certain event to occur certain way like 1470 01:09:15,700 --> 01:09:13,250 to prevent to prevent disasters like a 1471 01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:15,710 car crash you know if you have access to 1472 01:09:20,620 --> 01:09:18,080 the probabilities so it's kind of a 1473 01:09:23,710 --> 01:09:20,630 binary situation either car crashes or 1474 01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:23,720 not crashes you know so when you react 1475 01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,450 in I can't explain you any further than 1476 01:09:33,550 --> 01:09:31,520 that because I am writing book two and 1477 01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:33,560 if I say one more word than that it's 1478 01:09:41,650 --> 01:09:37,730 just gonna you know give up its you give 1479 01:09:45,670 --> 01:09:41,660 away too much of the explanation of my 1480 01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:45,680 universe but basically in the science 1481 01:09:51,849 --> 01:09:48,290 premise of my book it's it's kind of a 1482 01:09:56,620 --> 01:09:51,859 very existential search what are we are 1483 01:09:58,600 --> 01:09:56,630 what you know who we are in a sense so 1484 01:10:01,420 --> 01:09:58,610 and to make sense of the fabric of the 1485 01:10:03,940 --> 01:10:01,430 universe a little bit yeah have you 1486 01:10:05,770 --> 01:10:03,950 always had this type of thinking going 1487 01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:05,780 through life I mean what kind of like 1488 01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:08,690 that you interested in this in this type 1489 01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:14,450 of thinking I kind of been wired a 1490 01:10:20,010 --> 01:10:17,120 little bit into science by my high 1491 01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:20,020 school experience because I was in 1492 01:10:29,740 --> 01:10:24,230 advanced physics mathematics class which 1493 01:10:32,290 --> 01:10:29,750 I was like like lower-third who the 1494 01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:32,300 students because everybody else was so 1495 01:10:38,730 --> 01:10:35,120 bloody good but you know just when 1496 01:10:43,540 --> 01:10:38,740 you're spending so much time trying to 1497 01:10:45,940 --> 01:10:43,550 you know understand science well at 1498 01:10:48,250 --> 01:10:45,950 school it was sort of a burden you know 1499 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:48,260 and my artistic nature wanted to write 1500 01:10:53,260 --> 01:10:51,530 poems and stories and fiction and back 1501 01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:53,270 in the day when I was a little bit of a 1502 01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:56,840 science fiction tried when you leave 1503 01:11:00,670 --> 01:10:59,120 school and when you don't have to when 1504 01:11:04,180 --> 01:11:00,680 it's not an obligation anymore I 1505 01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:04,190 rediscovered Einstein's theories and 1506 01:11:08,260 --> 01:11:06,290 just I can 1507 01:11:10,690 --> 01:11:08,270 pinpoint us it happened about 10 years 1508 01:11:16,090 --> 01:11:10,700 ago when I rediscovered and fell in love 1509 01:11:18,910 --> 01:11:16,100 in physics all over again in a much more 1510 01:11:22,900 --> 01:11:18,920 enjoyable way because I started to see 1511 01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:22,910 the big picture it's not anymore about 1512 01:11:29,650 --> 01:11:25,520 the equations and trigonometry and any 1513 01:11:31,180 --> 01:11:29,660 of that it's it's now it's about me Who 1514 01:11:33,850 --> 01:11:31,190 am I and what am i doing in this 1515 01:11:37,780 --> 01:11:33,860 universe and the quantum physics totally 1516 01:11:40,660 --> 01:11:37,790 blows my mind and from then on yeah I've 1517 01:11:44,530 --> 01:11:40,670 been trying to keep up with with the 1518 01:11:48,540 --> 01:11:44,540 science side of you know the discovery 1519 01:11:52,420 --> 01:11:48,550 of the gravitational waves and you know 1520 01:11:57,490 --> 01:11:52,430 recent discoveries and just astronomy 1521 01:11:59,290 --> 01:11:57,500 and yeah water and Mars and whatnot you 1522 01:12:00,700 --> 01:11:59,300 know I'm just trying to keep up with 1523 01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:00,710 that because that's absolutely 1524 01:12:08,410 --> 01:12:05,050 fascinating to me so in your book is it 1525 01:12:11,050 --> 01:12:08,420 I'm always curious about the ending was 1526 01:12:13,930 --> 01:12:11,060 a good ending or is it is it a bad 1527 01:12:15,850 --> 01:12:13,940 ending can you give us a little or can 1528 01:12:23,620 --> 01:12:15,860 you give us a little overall details of 1529 01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:23,630 how it goes yeah so book has two parts 1530 01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:28,640 which are kind of separate they are 1531 01:12:37,870 --> 01:12:30,710 divided by 300 years 1532 01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:37,880 in in my timeline and if I begin part 1533 01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:45,050 one from heavy historic I submerge the 1534 01:12:52,990 --> 01:12:48,050 reader in our known history through this 1535 01:12:54,670 --> 01:12:53,000 fictional lens which my hope was that by 1536 01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:54,680 the time that the reader is done with 1537 01:13:00,040 --> 01:12:57,290 the part one of the book when I go about 1538 01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:00,050 like I talked about the Cold War the 1539 01:13:07,540 --> 01:13:02,930 japanese tokugawa shogunate period at 1540 01:13:09,009 --> 01:13:07,550 the isolation i talk about the the 1541 01:13:14,379 --> 01:13:09,019 Soviets and 1542 01:13:17,470 --> 01:13:14,389 and the Cubans and JFK and the Voynich 1543 01:13:19,870 --> 01:13:17,480 manuscript which you know my story has 1544 01:13:23,979 --> 01:13:19,880 to do with Leonardo da Vinci a little 1545 01:13:29,649 --> 01:13:23,989 bit so I I pull in so much history and 1546 01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:29,659 and UFO events so it's kind of like it's 1547 01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:32,719 chapter is a story of itself that it 1548 01:13:37,569 --> 01:13:35,360 connects so you can read it as like as a 1549 01:13:41,589 --> 01:13:37,579 TV series like let's call it a black 1550 01:13:43,899 --> 01:13:41,599 mirror type of thing you know but they 1551 01:13:45,729 --> 01:13:43,909 are connected they are connected and by 1552 01:13:49,180 --> 01:13:45,739 the time you're done with this part one 1553 01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:49,190 of the book my hope was that the reader 1554 01:13:58,029 --> 01:13:54,530 will get this feeling that hey this 1555 01:14:03,250 --> 01:13:58,039 actually might be somehow or to a degree 1556 01:14:07,859 --> 01:14:03,260 or somehow real because pieces of the 1557 01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:07,869 puzzle fit you know we start seeing the 1558 01:14:13,870 --> 01:14:11,329 motives why aliens are here why they 1559 01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:13,880 could be here what are the what is their 1560 01:14:21,939 --> 01:14:17,690 agenda okay what is their culture how 1561 01:14:24,489 --> 01:14:21,949 would they be operating on earth so they 1562 01:14:26,620 --> 01:14:24,499 are basically doing this research and 1563 01:14:28,270 --> 01:14:26,630 and they have their own bureaucracy and 1564 01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:28,280 it's in any bureaucracy there is these 1565 01:14:34,930 --> 01:14:32,480 tensions between different sort of 1566 01:14:37,180 --> 01:14:34,940 bureaus let's call it that way so it's a 1567 01:14:39,729 --> 01:14:37,190 big research well it takes a lot of 1568 01:14:46,319 --> 01:14:39,739 resources from the aliens so some of 1569 01:14:54,759 --> 01:14:49,870 room it's it's a little bit an allegory 1570 01:14:56,259 --> 01:14:54,769 of our bipartisan culture what it seems 1571 01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:56,269 to be in the earth like whatever country 1572 01:15:04,509 --> 01:14:59,840 you take there is bipartisan tribal type 1573 01:15:08,739 --> 01:15:04,519 of thinking it's happening and so that's 1574 01:15:13,330 --> 01:15:08,749 a little bit an allegory a joke on us on 1575 01:15:16,779 --> 01:15:13,340 humans through this aliens and so the 1576 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:16,789 part two of the book just takes off very 1577 01:15:24,100 --> 01:15:22,010 differently it's it's more of like 1578 01:15:28,770 --> 01:15:24,110 not a black mirror type of thing anymore 1579 01:15:32,980 --> 01:15:28,780 it's more like like think of a film that 1580 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:32,990 starts from bang and finishes with even 1581 01:15:46,090 --> 01:15:43,090 bigger bang happens 300 in 2500 and the 1582 01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:46,100 humanity is already aware of the alien 1583 01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:48,770 presence there was big reveal and there 1584 01:15:52,420 --> 01:15:50,510 is basically a cold war situation 1585 01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:52,430 between aliens and humans because nobody 1586 01:15:56,350 --> 01:15:54,320 is telling the truth aliens reveal 1587 01:15:58,900 --> 01:15:56,360 themselves but they cannot exactly quite 1588 01:16:00,880 --> 01:15:58,910 say that well we've been messing with 1589 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:00,890 you and we've been like engineering all 1590 01:16:07,690 --> 01:16:03,850 sorts of disasters and famines and and 1591 01:16:10,060 --> 01:16:07,700 you know biological you know we try to 1592 01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:10,070 exterminate and leave you however we see 1593 01:16:16,060 --> 01:16:12,560 fit because we just were doing this 1594 01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:16,070 genetic experiment which the only way we 1595 01:16:21,940 --> 01:16:19,970 found out to be feasible is to let you 1596 01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:21,950 people live your lives sort of think 1597 01:16:26,620 --> 01:16:24,890 that you're living your lives because 1598 01:16:29,890 --> 01:16:26,630 consciousness is a tricky thing it can 1599 01:16:33,070 --> 01:16:29,900 quite into consciousness experiments in 1600 01:16:37,950 --> 01:16:33,080 the lab so much you know so humans 1601 01:16:41,050 --> 01:16:37,960 needed to have that experience of 1602 01:16:44,020 --> 01:16:41,060 developing their consciousness in 1603 01:16:46,770 --> 01:16:44,030 generations and you know growing into 1604 01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:46,780 the ability to connect into the universe 1605 01:16:52,750 --> 01:16:49,840 through some safer meditation to prayer 1606 01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:52,760 some say it's you know so when basically 1607 01:16:59,260 --> 01:16:57,440 you become more aware of your being and 1608 01:17:02,650 --> 01:16:59,270 your existing in this universe and that 1609 01:17:05,020 --> 01:17:02,660 produces this oscillation effect and so 1610 01:17:07,420 --> 01:17:05,030 basically in the part 2 of the book it's 1611 01:17:09,820 --> 01:17:07,430 a full-on cold war with the aliens it 1612 01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:09,830 takes place on different planets because 1613 01:17:16,810 --> 01:17:12,170 humans are already more technologically 1614 01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:16,820 advanced and so there is a big tension 1615 01:17:21,580 --> 01:17:19,490 like one alien fraction wants to destroy 1616 01:17:24,460 --> 01:17:21,590 us it's like this experiment went too 1617 01:17:27,490 --> 01:17:24,470 far look look they got to our space now 1618 01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:27,500 you know and another one and I can't 1619 01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:29,690 quite reveal because this is going to be 1620 01:17:45,209 --> 01:17:42,180 but there is two soldiers the only two 1621 01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:45,219 survivors on in the alien alien space 1622 01:17:53,820 --> 01:17:49,450 the whole big mission was sent to find 1623 01:17:57,630 --> 01:17:53,830 information on the strategic positions 1624 01:17:59,250 --> 01:17:57,640 and weapons and some of the aliens and 1625 01:18:02,010 --> 01:17:59,260 there are plans about destroying us 1626 01:18:07,170 --> 01:18:02,020 actually closing up closing the research 1627 01:18:09,959 --> 01:18:07,180 and that mission was failed and the only 1628 01:18:14,700 --> 01:18:09,969 two soldiers are now being tortured and 1629 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:14,710 interrogated by the aliens and by the 1630 01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:16,410 end of the book something happens that 1631 01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:20,050 brings aliens and these two soldiers to 1632 01:18:26,340 --> 01:18:23,440 realize that in a certain predicament 1633 01:18:30,890 --> 01:18:26,350 that this cold war of humans and aliens 1634 01:18:33,660 --> 01:18:30,900 created they need to be looking for a 1635 01:18:36,020 --> 01:18:33,670 common ground in the face of even bigger 1636 01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:36,030 threats let's put it that way 1637 01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:39,850 hmm well interesting you know we have a 1638 01:18:45,420 --> 01:18:41,760 couple of questions that came up in chat 1639 01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:45,430 and also if you'd be willing I can also 1640 01:18:48,930 --> 01:18:47,170 open the lines if someone would like to 1641 01:18:49,770 --> 01:18:48,940 call in and ask you a question sure 1642 01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:49,780 absolutely 1643 01:18:53,820 --> 01:18:51,910 okay first of all someone wanted to know 1644 01:18:59,459 --> 01:18:53,830 have you yourself ever had any type of 1645 01:19:10,290 --> 01:18:59,469 UFO sighting no personally not no have 1646 01:19:12,990 --> 01:19:10,300 you looked for one you know the Canadian 1647 01:19:17,070 --> 01:19:13,000 generals and whatnot you know they are 1648 01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:17,080 way closer to the truth and and like 1649 01:19:24,330 --> 01:19:20,770 with the previous guests on the show 1650 01:19:28,050 --> 01:19:24,340 you mentioned about this budget spending 1651 01:19:29,340 --> 01:19:28,060 on the alien threat identification type 1652 01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:29,350 of thing follow the money 1653 01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:31,600 yeah although the money you know so I do 1654 01:19:40,020 --> 01:19:36,400 trust those facts those types of data 1655 01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:40,030 you know they're you know and we 1656 01:19:46,830 --> 01:19:42,640 wouldn't have we wouldn't be having even 1657 01:19:48,779 --> 01:19:46,840 protocols for dealing with the UFOs in 1658 01:19:51,629 --> 01:19:48,789 the military if you 1659 01:19:55,139 --> 01:19:51,639 if we didn't need them military military 1660 01:19:58,500 --> 01:19:55,149 military people will unlock fans of the 1661 01:20:01,669 --> 01:19:58,510 x-files let's put it that way or I don't 1662 01:20:05,339 --> 01:20:01,679 know maybe they are but you know I just 1663 01:20:08,609 --> 01:20:05,349 trust that they have better things to do 1664 01:20:11,250 --> 01:20:08,619 than make up fiction right where the 1665 01:20:14,789 --> 01:20:11,260 country that you're in right now do you 1666 01:20:18,809 --> 01:20:14,799 happen to know how the UFO phenomena is 1667 01:20:22,679 --> 01:20:18,819 treated you know how that how is it 1668 01:20:25,469 --> 01:20:22,689 respected or is it is it fringe like no 1669 01:20:28,859 --> 01:20:25,479 you know I think anywhere you go in the 1670 01:20:32,069 --> 01:20:28,869 world right now it's thanks to Hollywood 1671 01:20:35,759 --> 01:20:32,079 in part but I think our psyche is 1672 01:20:39,509 --> 01:20:35,769 prepared in a sense like for example of 1673 01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:39,519 talking to some people who can relate to 1674 01:20:45,299 --> 01:20:42,249 me on the UFO level a lot faster than 1675 01:20:48,899 --> 01:20:45,309 the only religion or ethnicity or like 1676 01:20:52,589 --> 01:20:48,909 some kind of social level I think if we 1677 01:20:56,159 --> 01:20:52,599 did a decent poll which number of people 1678 01:20:58,619 --> 01:20:56,169 are believers yeah well I'm pretty I'm 1679 01:21:01,079 --> 01:20:58,629 personally like a firm believer that 1680 01:21:05,099 --> 01:21:01,089 there's like way too much smoking gun in 1681 01:21:09,829 --> 01:21:05,109 this story I I'm just not the holder of 1682 01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:09,839 the classified files - yeah - no I've 1683 01:21:15,119 --> 01:21:12,729 said a number of times on this show that 1684 01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:15,129 I think there is definitely something 1685 01:21:18,750 --> 01:21:16,719 going on I mean I saw something when my 1686 01:21:21,629 --> 01:21:18,760 own eyes and I trust a lot of people 1687 01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:21,639 have seen things with their own eyes but 1688 01:21:28,649 --> 01:21:26,169 what it is is the problem things in the 1689 01:21:32,699 --> 01:21:28,659 sky but I I'm not just jumping you know 1690 01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:32,709 I don't want to portray myself as a such 1691 01:21:38,789 --> 01:21:36,010 an avenue for seeker that I see like any 1692 01:21:41,339 --> 01:21:38,799 old thing in the sky and claim it to be 1693 01:21:43,619 --> 01:21:41,349 a UFO that's just you know I have too 1694 01:21:48,539 --> 01:21:43,629 much of a respect for science and 1695 01:21:50,759 --> 01:21:48,549 research to do that but yeah yeah go 1696 01:21:52,469 --> 01:21:50,769 ahead sorry oh no no just sometimes we 1697 01:21:54,659 --> 01:21:52,479 need you know I mean what I saw was 1698 01:21:57,689 --> 01:21:54,669 unexplainable and a lot of people I know 1699 01:22:00,179 --> 01:21:57,699 I've seen things are unexplainable and 1700 01:22:02,490 --> 01:22:00,189 I'm you know we've talked on the show 1701 01:22:04,650 --> 01:22:02,500 where some sightings 1702 01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:04,660 people brush off as something you know 1703 01:22:09,780 --> 01:22:07,450 military experiment aircraft but then 1704 01:22:12,510 --> 01:22:09,790 those same very same sightings were seen 1705 01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:12,520 you know fifty years ago the same type 1706 01:22:17,670 --> 01:22:15,610 of exactly the same type of situation so 1707 01:22:19,950 --> 01:22:17,680 I don't think that's actually possible 1708 01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:19,960 we will take calls if anyone would like 1709 01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:21,370 to call in that number is up on the 1710 01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:23,440 screen right now so you're welcome to 1711 01:22:28,110 --> 01:22:26,260 call in if you'd like and I would like 1712 01:22:30,630 --> 01:22:28,120 to say well while we were waiting for 1713 01:22:32,820 --> 01:22:30,640 the call even like let's take a look in 1714 01:22:36,180 --> 01:22:32,830 the broad human history this is what I 1715 01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:36,190 did in the book to a large degree if I 1716 01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:38,800 couldn't you know you already said it's 1717 01:22:43,380 --> 01:22:41,440 it's a pretty large book you know so I 1718 01:22:47,820 --> 01:22:43,390 had to pick and choose historic pieces 1719 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:47,830 that would go into my puzzle sort of but 1720 01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:49,690 if you if you talk if you think about 1721 01:22:55,950 --> 01:22:51,520 the history of humanity like the 1722 01:23:01,790 --> 01:22:55,960 pyramids like that that one the 1723 01:23:14,540 --> 01:23:08,270 South America and just things like this 1724 01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:14,550 and apparitions like Our Lady Fatima 1725 01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:18,550 I'm not against religious beliefs but if 1726 01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:20,650 you read that one with a modern 1727 01:23:28,220 --> 01:23:23,800 framework if you read those accounts 1728 01:23:35,340 --> 01:23:33,270 that something is much less divinely 1729 01:23:37,260 --> 01:23:35,350 mysterious is happening because you know 1730 01:23:40,620 --> 01:23:37,270 people like I'm a huge fan of this 1731 01:23:44,370 --> 01:23:40,630 Stargate franchise so you know and and I 1732 01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:44,380 think their way of weaving mythology for 1733 01:23:53,130 --> 01:23:48,730 example into the narrative of the aliens 1734 01:23:56,250 --> 01:23:53,140 is quite brilliant which is relevant to 1735 01:23:59,010 --> 01:23:56,260 the discussion for example so what we 1736 01:24:02,390 --> 01:23:59,020 used to think of being gods of various 1737 01:24:06,810 --> 01:24:02,400 natures you know might very well be 1738 01:24:10,260 --> 01:24:06,820 visitors from who knows where or or some 1739 01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:10,270 ancestors may be humans of some type may 1740 01:24:16,299 --> 01:24:13,330 be aliens I don't know possibilities are 1741 01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:16,309 endless right a question that came up 1742 01:24:21,419 --> 01:24:19,280 what was the motive the motivation idea 1743 01:24:23,949 --> 01:24:21,429 behind the different alien factions 1744 01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:23,959 seems very realistic according to this 1745 01:24:30,819 --> 01:24:27,199 person and they so they just want to 1746 01:24:34,419 --> 01:24:30,829 know what your thoughts were on that I'm 1747 01:24:38,529 --> 01:24:34,429 kind of a little bit of politics as well 1748 01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:38,539 I am I think I watched too much politics 1749 01:24:43,989 --> 01:24:42,050 and political comedy has well so you 1750 01:24:48,549 --> 01:24:43,999 know when you when you get like so wired 1751 01:24:50,469 --> 01:24:48,559 to sort of like observe and as a person 1752 01:24:53,619 --> 01:24:50,479 who worked in government and just like 1753 01:24:56,469 --> 01:24:53,629 knows bureaucracy for what it is and how 1754 01:25:00,279 --> 01:24:56,479 sometimes you know like big things they 1755 01:25:03,009 --> 01:25:00,289 appear big and very thought-out and like 1756 01:25:09,879 --> 01:25:03,019 a policy on the surface sometimes could 1757 01:25:13,659 --> 01:25:09,889 be just like like a random thing in like 1758 01:25:16,569 --> 01:25:13,669 some random clerk nameless clerk may 1759 01:25:18,729 --> 01:25:16,579 have like just a like a signature type 1760 01:25:20,979 --> 01:25:18,739 of authority to well things to be like 1761 01:25:23,169 --> 01:25:20,989 the earmarking things to the budget for 1762 01:25:25,119 --> 01:25:23,179 example things like so just when you 1763 01:25:30,250 --> 01:25:25,129 start thinking about bureaucracies and 1764 01:25:32,770 --> 01:25:30,260 just sociology you know how beings exist 1765 01:25:35,739 --> 01:25:32,780 even you know even even in the animal 1766 01:25:38,290 --> 01:25:35,749 kingdom I mean there's tribes there is 1767 01:25:41,229 --> 01:25:38,300 always the adversarial principle in 1768 01:25:43,509 --> 01:25:41,239 everything so when you think about it in 1769 01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:43,519 you extrapolator cave there's our aliens 1770 01:25:48,009 --> 01:25:45,050 of course there's a train of father they 1771 01:25:51,699 --> 01:25:48,019 will be so evolved that they will have 1772 01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:51,709 no conflict and I personally don't buy 1773 01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:55,760 that well yeah I'm on I'm on the fence 1774 01:25:59,559 --> 01:25:57,530 myself about that now that you mention 1775 01:26:01,299 --> 01:25:59,569 it because it's like we but we would 1776 01:26:04,779 --> 01:26:01,309 really don't know you know we really 1777 01:26:07,540 --> 01:26:04,789 don't know the nature a lot of the 1778 01:26:10,689 --> 01:26:07,550 aggression and stuff that we have as a 1779 01:26:13,119 --> 01:26:10,699 species is all evolutionary to you know 1780 01:26:17,469 --> 01:26:13,129 survival instincts and all that that's 1781 01:26:19,599 --> 01:26:17,479 why we're tribal and but we don't know 1782 01:26:21,759 --> 01:26:19,609 how another species would evolve on 1783 01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:21,769 another planet you know we have no idea 1784 01:26:27,579 --> 01:26:24,649 yeah but if both we say that we our life 1785 01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,589 and their life just in general life and 1786 01:26:33,259 --> 01:26:29,760 life is like us 1787 01:26:36,049 --> 01:26:33,269 you know it's a self-perpetuating circle 1788 01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:36,059 of destruction something has to die for 1789 01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:38,880 something to be born that's you know 1790 01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:41,610 just a philosophical principle and like 1791 01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:43,440 I agree with you could be either way 1792 01:26:50,049 --> 01:26:46,639 like for we know aliens could be 1793 01:26:55,399 --> 01:26:50,059 noncorporeal energy type of species 1794 01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:55,409 multi-dimensional type of you know which 1795 01:27:02,000 --> 01:26:58,800 if the consciousness thing is really has 1796 01:27:04,399 --> 01:27:02,010 something to do with if it's a real 1797 01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:04,409 thing and if it's a type of energy maybe 1798 01:27:08,569 --> 01:27:06,449 we can be separated from the whole 1799 01:27:11,029 --> 01:27:08,579 bodies maybe aliens can as well maybe 1800 01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:11,039 they are I don't know like in my book I 1801 01:27:17,899 --> 01:27:13,920 just picked one of those that seem to be 1802 01:27:21,049 --> 01:27:17,909 the most the one the one possibility 1803 01:27:22,700 --> 01:27:21,059 that I probably understand the most from 1804 01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:22,710 that where I I stand 1805 01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:26,880 human perspective a question that came 1806 01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:31,199 up it says I don't know did I ask you I 1807 01:27:34,279 --> 01:27:32,400 mean you've asked you this question I'm 1808 01:27:36,979 --> 01:27:34,289 sorry if I did but it says you're 1809 01:27:39,229 --> 01:27:36,989 fascinated by science and physics but do 1810 01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:39,239 you believe in the metaphysical UFOs and 1811 01:27:54,609 --> 01:27:47,360 spiritual phenomena metaphysical 1812 01:27:58,490 --> 01:27:54,619 metaphysical UFOs as if like ghosts yeah 1813 01:28:00,350 --> 01:27:58,500 yeah you know I do here's where I firmly 1814 01:28:05,930 --> 01:28:00,360 believe and it kind of shows in the book 1815 01:28:08,060 --> 01:28:05,940 I do believe that there's human 1816 01:28:10,939 --> 01:28:08,070 experiences are very vast and very 1817 01:28:12,879 --> 01:28:10,949 different and I sort of like come from 1818 01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:12,889 the point of view where I don't 1819 01:28:19,549 --> 01:28:15,690 necessarily want to disbelieve a person 1820 01:28:23,109 --> 01:28:19,559 you know I come from you know unless 1821 01:28:27,169 --> 01:28:23,119 there's some kind of like social media 1822 01:28:29,359 --> 01:28:27,179 Kardashian type of game you know to be 1823 01:28:31,759 --> 01:28:29,369 gained from public attention to 1824 01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:31,769 something generally people who speak up 1825 01:28:37,399 --> 01:28:34,800 about UFOs for example let's pick UFOs 1826 01:28:42,399 --> 01:28:37,409 or ghosts supernatural phenomena 1827 01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:42,409 phenomena they risk with being ridiculed 1828 01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:43,530 be 1829 01:28:50,540 --> 01:28:47,760 in you know lose some kind of social 1830 01:28:54,350 --> 01:28:50,550 standing in like you know what I mean 1831 01:28:58,130 --> 01:28:54,360 that's not generally where people want 1832 01:29:01,370 --> 01:28:58,140 to be necessarily ordinary people like 1833 01:29:03,410 --> 01:29:01,380 for example if an alien walked into the 1834 01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:03,420 room right now and nobody saw that 1835 01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:08,610 I would think hard you know should I 1836 01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:11,370 bring that up you know I'm a writer I 1837 01:29:18,580 --> 01:29:13,770 can be weird that's allowable but to 1838 01:29:23,060 --> 01:29:18,590 what degree you know so I do believe 1839 01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:23,070 people's experiences like the Fed of the 1840 01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:26,010 fact that I have not personally seen or 1841 01:29:31,460 --> 01:29:27,930 experienced something just doesn't mean 1842 01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:31,470 that somebody else did not that makes 1843 01:29:34,970 --> 01:29:31,920 sense 1844 01:29:37,460 --> 01:29:34,980 hmm have you followed up I know you 1845 01:29:41,830 --> 01:29:37,470 followed a lot of the UFO stories but 1846 01:29:43,850 --> 01:29:41,840 have you followed the abduction 1847 01:29:45,380 --> 01:29:43,860 experiencers or any of that have you 1848 01:29:48,830 --> 01:29:45,390 looked into any of that when you're 1849 01:29:53,330 --> 01:29:48,840 doing your research yes some of my 1850 01:29:56,570 --> 01:29:53,340 friends shout out to the Instagram folks 1851 01:30:00,860 --> 01:29:56,580 we spoke about that some of them claim 1852 01:30:02,540 --> 01:30:00,870 to have a deduction experiences and I am 1853 01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:02,550 NOT in the place of saying I don't 1854 01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:05,610 believe your experience you know I you 1855 01:30:12,830 --> 01:30:09,360 know why would I do that I know that 1856 01:30:20,710 --> 01:30:12,840 generally when people bring that up it's 1857 01:30:23,170 --> 01:30:20,720 very traumatic yeah it's rarely you get 1858 01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:23,180 what it seems to me from my 1859 01:30:29,390 --> 01:30:26,490 unquantifiable subjective perspective 1860 01:30:31,490 --> 01:30:29,400 when I read about that that there is a 1861 01:30:35,390 --> 01:30:31,500 lot more unpleasant traumatic 1862 01:30:38,450 --> 01:30:35,400 experiences in in in those accounts then 1863 01:30:41,090 --> 01:30:38,460 I've been enlightened or I've been I've 1864 01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:41,100 received some information on knowledge I 1865 01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:44,490 tend to be more distrustful over those 1866 01:30:49,940 --> 01:30:46,770 types of claims like profit type of 1867 01:30:53,930 --> 01:30:49,950 things but I don't know why maybe that's 1868 01:30:57,020 --> 01:30:53,940 sea bias I do have biases I suppose like 1869 01:30:59,510 --> 01:30:57,030 everybody well it's a 1870 01:31:01,400 --> 01:30:59,520 yabba's on my personally I was on the 1871 01:31:05,390 --> 01:31:01,410 fence a lot about abductions then there 1872 01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:05,400 was a couple of ones that were just so 1873 01:31:10,250 --> 01:31:07,920 credible like I think Travis Walton I'm 1874 01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:10,260 not sure if you've followed the Travis 1875 01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:13,170 Walton case but there are a few 1876 01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:15,690 situations that are just you know with 1877 01:31:22,670 --> 01:31:20,250 witnesses and or just quite amazing so I 1878 01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:22,680 also you know there's a couple things 1879 01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:24,450 you mentioned way early on you mentioned 1880 01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:25,890 you know where are they hiding 1881 01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:28,080 are they under the ocean I do have 1882 01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:29,250 someone coming up that's going to be 1883 01:31:37,790 --> 01:31:34,890 talking about us oh so but but the 1884 01:31:40,430 --> 01:31:37,800 curious part that I've always thought 1885 01:31:44,180 --> 01:31:40,440 about on UFO sightings is the ones that 1886 01:31:47,060 --> 01:31:44,190 are repeated over and over again why why 1887 01:31:48,500 --> 01:31:47,070 would this particular thing show up in 1888 01:31:50,630 --> 01:31:48,510 the same area over and over again 1889 01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:50,640 instead of being exploring other parts 1890 01:31:56,030 --> 01:31:52,800 of the planet or whatever why is it like 1891 01:31:58,610 --> 01:31:56,040 right at this certain area and there are 1892 01:32:01,070 --> 01:31:58,620 many many cases where a UFO just keeps 1893 01:32:02,990 --> 01:32:01,080 showing up in the same same space it's 1894 01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:03,000 pretty puzzling the whole thing is 1895 01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:05,250 puzzling that that is the whole thing is 1896 01:32:09,650 --> 01:32:07,170 absolutely puzzling and I think this is 1897 01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:09,660 how my book came to be from there's like 1898 01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:11,250 a whole bunch of puzzles and you throw 1899 01:32:15,950 --> 01:32:13,920 them into this box right here you shake 1900 01:32:17,810 --> 01:32:15,960 it up and you come up with you try to 1901 01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:17,820 connect the dots you try to make sense 1902 01:32:23,300 --> 01:32:20,210 out of it and so in my book I kind of 1903 01:32:27,550 --> 01:32:23,310 there's a hypothesis if you if you will 1904 01:32:30,860 --> 01:32:27,560 you know it's a exercise in what-ifs so 1905 01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:30,870 if you think of them doing a certain 1906 01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:34,410 type of a research of a project showing 1907 01:32:40,100 --> 01:32:37,170 up to a certain population or a research 1908 01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:40,110 area that is monitored just makes hell 1909 01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:45,690 of a lot of sense mm-hmm yeah you know 1910 01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:51,570 so what about the the story goes to your 1911 01:32:56,870 --> 01:32:54,090 book I I believe you're saying that you 1912 01:33:00,770 --> 01:32:56,880 talk about like history I heard you say 1913 01:33:02,690 --> 01:33:00,780 JFK I saw that in your blurb so is this 1914 01:33:06,020 --> 01:33:02,700 kind of like you're creating a case 1915 01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:06,030 toward the future of what actually where 1916 01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:09,330 the direction it's going in and do these 1917 01:33:16,610 --> 01:33:10,650 things all kind of come to get 1918 01:33:19,220 --> 01:33:16,620 in the second part of the book yeah so 1919 01:33:25,690 --> 01:33:19,230 basically from what I get from the 1920 01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:29,630 like you know the Cloud Atlas or 1921 01:33:38,450 --> 01:33:33,210 something like this that has like a lot 1922 01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:38,460 of parts that seem to you're not sure 1923 01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:40,800 how they connect because I mean this is 1924 01:33:44,690 --> 01:33:42,480 the world that we live in like think 1925 01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:44,700 about like move on and hold a ufologist 1926 01:33:50,690 --> 01:33:48,090 like and the Blue Book people and like 1927 01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:50,700 all of these like sporadic researchers 1928 01:33:56,710 --> 01:33:52,560 of UFOs there's like a lot of 1929 01:33:59,930 --> 01:33:56,720 information here and there and like we 1930 01:34:02,870 --> 01:33:59,940 kind of have siloed information so I 1931 01:34:04,820 --> 01:34:02,880 think my book kind of mirrors that human 1932 01:34:07,010 --> 01:34:04,830 experience you read through this and you 1933 01:34:08,420 --> 01:34:07,020 have okay so this is this lens from the 1934 01:34:10,580 --> 01:34:08,430 perspective of this person from 1935 01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:10,590 perspective of JFK of perspective of 1936 01:34:15,470 --> 01:34:12,770 these 1937 01:34:18,140 --> 01:34:15,480 fictional and kind of real historic 1938 01:34:21,470 --> 01:34:18,150 characters you know I kind of walk in 1939 01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:21,480 their experiences and then sort of like 1940 01:34:31,940 --> 01:34:26,370 it comes together I think yeah the veil 1941 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:31,950 is being lifted so I'll remind you no 1942 01:34:37,670 --> 01:34:33,690 one wants to call in that numbers up on 1943 01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:37,680 this screen and I did notice that you 1944 01:34:43,370 --> 01:34:41,520 this book has a lot of five-star ratings 1945 01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:43,380 you have a lot of really good ratings a 1946 01:34:49,510 --> 01:34:46,770 lot of people love to yeah that must be 1947 01:34:51,710 --> 01:34:49,520 a thrilling for your first book yeah yes 1948 01:34:54,620 --> 01:34:51,720 absolutely because you know you never 1949 01:34:58,330 --> 01:34:54,630 know it's a little bit of unconventional 1950 01:35:03,350 --> 01:34:58,340 type of a narrative like I said it has I 1951 01:35:06,350 --> 01:35:03,360 would say experimental style narrative 1952 01:35:08,930 --> 01:35:06,360 style you know you know so it I didn't 1953 01:35:11,480 --> 01:35:08,940 know if people would catch on to that if 1954 01:35:15,140 --> 01:35:11,490 that would be but when folks started 1955 01:35:18,620 --> 01:35:15,150 explaining like started to say that this 1956 01:35:21,050 --> 01:35:18,630 is it's an sci-fi epic and it's on the 1957 01:35:23,480 --> 01:35:21,060 hard sci-fi side and like I could not be 1958 01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:23,490 thrilled more because like to me to say 1959 01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:24,090 like the 1960 01:35:27,979 --> 01:35:26,130 is kind of like in the hard sci-fi camp 1961 01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:27,989 I was like oh my god that's like you 1962 01:35:34,910 --> 01:35:30,690 know being at the feet of the Giants of 1963 01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:34,920 fiction yeah that's just awesome 1964 01:35:41,959 --> 01:35:39,090 yes yeah and so you are you actually 1965 01:35:44,899 --> 01:35:41,969 writing sort of a like a follow-up book 1966 01:35:46,939 --> 01:35:44,909 on the book is that what you're doing 1967 01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:46,949 yeah there's there's gonna be a second 1968 01:35:57,290 --> 01:35:54,210 book 329 years of war looking forward to 1969 01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:57,300 have it out by the end of the year yeah 1970 01:36:03,919 --> 01:36:01,199 if all goes well so well it's not gonna 1971 01:36:06,890 --> 01:36:03,929 be a never-ending series because I want 1972 01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:06,900 to write and I have manuscripts of all 1973 01:36:14,839 --> 01:36:10,170 the stories but I think it warrants for 1974 01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:14,849 another book at least to serve really 1975 01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:20,719 give this University inclusion yeah so 1976 01:36:26,149 --> 01:36:21,920 do you 1977 01:36:29,450 --> 01:36:26,159 you know it seems like all books and all 1978 01:36:32,620 --> 01:36:29,460 movies that project the future it's 1979 01:36:36,290 --> 01:36:32,630 always dystopian everything is you know 1980 01:36:38,750 --> 01:36:36,300 falling apart where you know we're 1981 01:36:43,820 --> 01:36:38,760 conquered or whatever by something by AI 1982 01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:43,830 and then you hear someone like I think 1983 01:36:47,589 --> 01:36:45,449 there were two - I think Hawking 1984 01:36:50,510 --> 01:36:47,599 might've even said something about 1985 01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:50,520 artificial intelligence an Elon Musk 1986 01:36:55,540 --> 01:36:52,800 Elon Musk thinks it's you know could 1987 01:36:58,010 --> 01:36:55,550 possibly be the destruction of us all 1988 01:37:01,100 --> 01:36:58,020 what do you think about artificial 1989 01:37:04,459 --> 01:37:01,110 intelligence in the future this is more 1990 01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:04,469 in the camp of my those manuscripts that 1991 01:37:11,930 --> 01:37:08,449 I mentioned my different series which is 1992 01:37:16,580 --> 01:37:11,940 cyberpunk dystopian type of stuff that 1993 01:37:18,950 --> 01:37:16,590 deals with clones and AI and just you 1994 01:37:23,390 --> 01:37:18,960 know again it's a very existential probe 1995 01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:23,400 into what is a person what what is what 1996 01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:29,489 as a human is cloning human yeah when an 1997 01:37:36,740 --> 01:37:32,010 AI becomes a person when it becomes 1998 01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:36,750 self-aware generally I'm in the mosque 1999 01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:38,400 camp 2000 01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:41,760 I maybe there is just my personality I 2001 01:37:47,540 --> 01:37:45,050 have a healthy dose of paranoia in me 2002 01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:47,550 for some good reasons I mean look at the 2003 01:37:52,130 --> 01:37:49,290 world I mean you don't really you know 2004 01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:52,140 it's not like everything everywhere is 2005 01:38:01,060 --> 01:37:56,400 perfect you know yeah I think the 2006 01:38:04,820 --> 01:38:01,070 problem is that we have rogue nations 2007 01:38:08,180 --> 01:38:04,830 and an every nation is a rogue nation in 2008 01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:08,190 the fields of science and discovery to 2009 01:38:13,210 --> 01:38:10,650 be honest China is doing its own thing 2010 01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:13,220 the United States is doing its own thing 2011 01:38:18,410 --> 01:38:15,930 military of any country is doing its 2012 01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:18,420 entirely own thing and then there is a 2013 01:38:25,100 --> 01:38:20,400 Russia and the biological and nuclear 2014 01:38:29,540 --> 01:38:25,110 threats and all of that stuff and the 2015 01:38:32,330 --> 01:38:29,550 lack of forget even ethical standards 2016 01:38:34,610 --> 01:38:32,340 like even treaties on these subjects 2017 01:38:36,500 --> 01:38:34,620 that would be binding and common-sense 2018 01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:36,510 like look what was happening with the 2019 01:38:44,300 --> 01:38:41,040 global warming treaties seems like we 2020 01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:44,310 would kind of be concerned about the 2021 01:38:52,340 --> 01:38:48,410 planet you're living on but again I 2022 01:38:52,850 --> 01:38:52,350 understand big business is never easy to 2023 01:38:54,890 --> 01:38:52,860 deal with 2024 01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:54,900 so I basically I think what I'm trying 2025 01:39:02,470 --> 01:38:58,400 to say I think big business and 2026 01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:02,480 technology will definitely run our lives 2027 01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:05,130 don't look any further than Facebook 2028 01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:07,170 what was happening recently it's not 2029 01:39:11,870 --> 01:39:09,810 like we did not know that the data is 2030 01:39:18,350 --> 01:39:11,880 being gathered we did not know that the 2031 01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:18,360 AI a a I exist I exist what did that 2032 01:39:25,340 --> 01:39:21,570 wouldn't is not to our knowledge it's 2033 01:39:28,850 --> 01:39:25,350 not self-aware as of yet or so we think 2034 01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:28,860 that would be the scary day when I pick 2035 01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:32,490 myself because because I tell you you 2036 01:39:38,660 --> 01:39:35,010 know AI will have a I will not read 2037 01:39:41,450 --> 01:39:38,670 science fiction I will not you know a a 2038 01:39:44,210 --> 01:39:41,460 I will not have all those ridiculous 2039 01:39:48,070 --> 01:39:44,220 weaknesses that humans have you know 2040 01:39:50,820 --> 01:39:48,080 like what makes us human makes us flawed 2041 01:39:54,510 --> 01:39:50,830 makes us weak 2042 01:39:57,810 --> 01:39:54,520 and I don't think I just I just cannot 2043 01:39:59,840 --> 01:39:57,820 grasp you know that Sophie robot that 2044 01:40:07,830 --> 01:39:59,850 was granted the Saudi Arabian 2045 01:40:10,170 --> 01:40:07,840 citizenship the it's very faint AI at 2046 01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:10,180 this point it doesn't really do a whole 2047 01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:14,560 lot it's a talking doll but I'm just 2048 01:40:22,050 --> 01:40:17,290 having a hard time to see how a being 2049 01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:22,060 like that would have compassion I think 2050 01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:27,130 it would be a completely rational entity 2051 01:40:34,650 --> 01:40:31,510 and we would be like a pestilence on 2052 01:40:36,330 --> 01:40:34,660 this planet in the eyes of this type of 2053 01:40:41,390 --> 01:40:36,340 being yeah 2054 01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:41,400 when total destruction not this nuisance 2055 01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:43,330 could very well happen 2056 01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:46,000 yeah I've I've had conversations my son 2057 01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:50,650 about this type of thing and how you 2058 01:40:57,150 --> 01:40:53,010 know you're right when there's no 2059 01:41:00,390 --> 01:40:57,160 there's no emotions involved in in this 2060 01:41:02,130 --> 01:41:00,400 you know it could go just too rational 2061 01:41:04,980 --> 01:41:02,140 and rationals not always the right 2062 01:41:08,910 --> 01:41:04,990 answer like going all the way back to 2063 01:41:11,010 --> 01:41:08,920 I'm trying to remember that movie the 2064 01:41:13,770 --> 01:41:11,020 wars something wars or something like 2065 01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:13,780 that with Matthew Broderick the computer 2066 01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:17,890 goes wild and you know it just thinks to 2067 01:41:21,390 --> 01:41:19,930 stop the threat that's all think so if 2068 01:41:23,070 --> 01:41:21,400 it doesn't think about these are people 2069 01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:23,080 and it was going to destroy the world 2070 01:41:30,750 --> 01:41:25,690 and then he had to play the tic-tac-toe 2071 01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:30,760 game or realized it couldn't win and war 2072 01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:32,110 games I think that was the name of that 2073 01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:34,210 movie but I mean going all the way back 2074 01:41:39,810 --> 01:41:37,360 to that and several others you know 2075 01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:39,820 that's like artificial intelligence the 2076 01:41:45,060 --> 01:41:41,290 theory of the future of it we have a 2077 01:41:48,290 --> 01:41:45,070 call coming in but it's not some reason 2078 01:41:51,330 --> 01:41:48,300 this Skype is not allowing me to join it 2079 01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:51,340 because I had to read I had to redo all 2080 01:41:56,250 --> 01:41:53,170 my applications and one of them was 2081 01:41:59,670 --> 01:41:56,260 Skype and so I'm sorry caller I can't 2082 01:42:03,520 --> 01:41:59,680 take your call there's no sorry about 2083 01:42:06,819 --> 01:42:05,259 unfortunately we can't take calls on 2084 01:42:10,359 --> 01:42:06,829 this show try to figure that out by next 2085 01:42:14,620 --> 01:42:10,369 show but please do put your question in 2086 01:42:15,850 --> 01:42:14,630 the chat and I will relay it along along 2087 01:42:18,129 --> 01:42:15,860 against someone corrected me at what 2088 01:42:20,589 --> 01:42:18,139 yeah was wargames a terminator that's 2089 01:42:24,580 --> 01:42:20,599 another one I thought that was that's 2090 01:42:26,620 --> 01:42:24,590 kind of and that's I think we're sort of 2091 01:42:30,819 --> 01:42:26,630 heading in that direction if we're not 2092 01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:30,829 careful we're you know that something 2093 01:42:36,250 --> 01:42:33,679 could beyond just you know self 2094 01:42:37,959 --> 01:42:36,260 perpetuating and then do whatever I mean 2095 01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:37,969 these are possibilities it's scary 2096 01:42:49,450 --> 01:42:39,920 possibilities but definitely 2097 01:42:52,779 --> 01:42:49,460 possibilities yeah and I I am in Elon 2098 01:42:56,859 --> 01:42:52,789 Musk's team I suppose because there was 2099 01:42:58,930 --> 01:42:56,869 this mask versus Zuckerberg debate some 2100 01:43:02,350 --> 01:42:58,940 time ago it kind of went pretty public 2101 01:43:04,779 --> 01:43:02,360 and Zuckerberg was saying that no no AI 2102 01:43:07,689 --> 01:43:04,789 is our friend technology is our friend 2103 01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:07,699 olds chill look where Zuckerberg 2104 01:43:13,569 --> 01:43:10,610 testifying for the Congress because of 2105 01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:13,579 that type of thinking like big data big 2106 01:43:23,140 --> 01:43:19,610 data so if if you read about AI is the 2107 01:43:26,140 --> 01:43:23,150 type of AI you can just several things 2108 01:43:31,629 --> 01:43:26,150 how you can make any I you can either 2109 01:43:35,979 --> 01:43:31,639 reconstruct a neural pathway like to 2110 01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:35,989 imitate a brain in certain way or with 2111 01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:40,610 already pre-programmed certain knowledge 2112 01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:46,400 or like logical rules of operation or 2113 01:43:51,250 --> 01:43:49,130 you make it a learning machine and the 2114 01:43:53,709 --> 01:43:51,260 learning machine needs data it learns on 2115 01:43:57,180 --> 01:43:53,719 Big Data and like what is happening with 2116 01:44:01,569 --> 01:43:57,190 accumulation of big data these days is 2117 01:44:03,790 --> 01:44:01,579 one ugly scariest things my opinion not 2118 01:44:08,830 --> 01:44:03,800 because of only privacy and identity 2119 01:44:13,509 --> 01:44:08,840 theft but just because I think we are 2120 01:44:17,130 --> 01:44:13,519 completely unaware of the scale of how 2121 01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:17,140 big data how much big data 2122 01:44:23,370 --> 01:44:20,770 how you know consumer choices are you 2123 01:44:25,550 --> 01:44:23,380 know like economy is driven on big data 2124 01:44:29,790 --> 01:44:25,560 and elections are driven on big data 2125 01:44:32,670 --> 01:44:29,800 like we don't that's it's it's a whole 2126 01:44:35,460 --> 01:44:32,680 brave new world and it's exploded in the 2127 01:44:39,540 --> 01:44:35,470 past ten years or so with the advent of 2128 01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:39,550 Facebook and platforms like that well 2129 01:44:46,110 --> 01:44:43,840 also another thing when it comes to say 2130 01:44:49,230 --> 01:44:46,120 just for instance Facebook okay we're 2131 01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:49,240 talking two billion people are on 2132 01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:50,110 Facebook 2133 01:44:58,740 --> 01:44:54,970 think about all the power that that they 2134 01:45:00,300 --> 01:44:58,750 could have possibly like not that they 2135 01:45:02,220 --> 01:45:00,310 would not that anyone would but just 2136 01:45:04,710 --> 01:45:02,230 think if like a madman took over 2137 01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:04,720 Facebook like all of a sudden it was 2138 01:45:12,540 --> 01:45:10,480 under hostage and you and the messages 2139 01:45:15,870 --> 01:45:12,550 that could get out to two billion people 2140 01:45:18,330 --> 01:45:15,880 could cause absolute chaos I mean these 2141 01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:18,340 are I'm not that would ever happen but 2142 01:45:22,110 --> 01:45:20,170 it's just a you know the possibilities 2143 01:45:26,190 --> 01:45:22,120 are there when there's that that type of 2144 01:45:29,580 --> 01:45:26,200 control over that many people remember 2145 01:45:33,330 --> 01:45:29,590 when in Hawaii there was a full alert 2146 01:45:36,450 --> 01:45:33,340 alert about a nuclear strike 2147 01:45:39,060 --> 01:45:36,460 yeah yeah I know some of that well yeah 2148 01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:39,070 yeah that wouldn't be such a big of a 2149 01:45:44,010 --> 01:45:41,440 deal except these days everybody has a 2150 01:45:46,770 --> 01:45:44,020 smart phone in the pocket with 2151 01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:46,780 connection to the Internet and like 2152 01:45:52,770 --> 01:45:49,930 information like this goes viral and of 2153 01:45:55,410 --> 01:45:52,780 course like like now with the 2154 01:45:58,050 --> 01:45:55,420 information sharing like given that 2155 01:46:02,250 --> 01:45:58,060 aspect like leave alone propaganda and 2156 01:46:04,650 --> 01:46:02,260 manipulation of masses although that is 2157 01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:04,660 quite a scary thing because like we were 2158 01:46:10,590 --> 01:46:08,110 talking about bipartisan adversarial 2159 01:46:17,930 --> 01:46:10,600 kind of nature of politics in our 2160 01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:17,940 society like this the tribal split it's 2161 01:46:25,980 --> 01:46:22,210 we we like this think about how scary it 2162 01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:25,990 is that can you be so sure that what 2163 01:46:30,209 --> 01:46:27,970 you're thinking is actually what you are 2164 01:46:34,189 --> 01:46:30,219 thinking because your thoughts come 2165 01:46:36,839 --> 01:46:34,199 from the like environment around you and 2166 01:46:41,129 --> 01:46:36,849 the stuff you're getting is less and 2167 01:46:45,629 --> 01:46:41,139 less like journalism it's more opinion 2168 01:46:47,580 --> 01:46:45,639 pieces you know it's you're getting a 2169 01:46:49,830 --> 01:46:47,590 certain regurgitator you're not getting 2170 01:46:52,290 --> 01:46:49,840 nutrition you're getting a protein stick 2171 01:46:55,469 --> 01:46:52,300 you know you're not getting a you know a 2172 01:47:00,060 --> 01:46:55,479 new a wholesome meal where you can just 2173 01:47:02,129 --> 01:47:00,070 kind of pick a part right yeah that's 2174 01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:02,139 very philosophical I don't know I just 2175 01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:04,570 don't me thinking no no no I like I'd 2176 01:47:08,939 --> 01:47:07,119 like this conversation a question that 2177 01:47:12,989 --> 01:47:08,949 the caller was that was trying to call 2178 01:47:15,739 --> 01:47:12,999 in had was he says that you have 2179 01:47:19,410 --> 01:47:15,749 mentioned JFK are we talking the 2180 01:47:20,279 --> 01:47:19,420 President or the assassination he's just 2181 01:47:22,290 --> 01:47:20,289 trying to figure out what you're 2182 01:47:28,350 --> 01:47:22,300 referencing what you reference in that 2183 01:47:30,270 --> 01:47:28,360 book okay so it's well if you think of 2184 01:47:32,189 --> 01:47:30,280 Cloud Atlas and they mentioned it so 2185 01:47:34,109 --> 01:47:32,199 it's like a lot of pieces of puzzles 2186 01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:34,119 come together but from point of view of 2187 01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:38,530 JFK who was born in 1917 coincidentally 2188 01:47:44,089 --> 01:47:40,449 the same year where our Lady Fatima 2189 01:47:47,310 --> 01:47:44,099 sighting happened like across the world 2190 01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:47,320 so I picked certain pieces of history 2191 01:47:52,799 --> 01:47:49,840 like for example I picked 1942 where 2192 01:47:55,589 --> 01:47:52,809 they la sighting happened and I was like 2193 01:47:57,719 --> 01:47:55,599 okay where where JFK was back in the day 2194 01:48:01,709 --> 01:47:57,729 he was in the Office of Naval 2195 01:48:05,219 --> 01:48:01,719 Intelligence during his military and and 2196 01:48:11,989 --> 01:48:05,229 so I won't tell how but I incorporated 2197 01:48:18,569 --> 01:48:11,999 the because he he as a what's the word 2198 01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:18,579 military personnel because he would be 2199 01:48:23,339 --> 01:48:20,650 aware of things like that because that 2200 01:48:26,879 --> 01:48:23,349 was perceived as an external threat from 2201 01:48:29,219 --> 01:48:26,889 Japan or whatnot you know so he would be 2202 01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:29,229 aware of this incident then in 52 when 2203 01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:33,090 he was already a congressman a 2204 01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:36,239 congressman 52 I basically yeah I 2205 01:48:41,580 --> 01:48:38,650 basically yeah I think he was running 2206 01:48:43,229 --> 01:48:41,590 for Senate that year because Nixon was 2207 01:48:45,419 --> 01:48:43,239 running for president and I have 2208 01:48:47,370 --> 01:48:45,429 as well in there so I basically looked 2209 01:48:50,669 --> 01:48:47,380 at all of these actors and where they 2210 01:48:55,049 --> 01:48:50,679 were certain pieces of certain points in 2211 01:48:56,910 --> 01:48:55,059 time and this year for incidents so that 2212 01:49:00,169 --> 01:48:56,920 also was a mass sighting and like you 2213 01:49:03,509 --> 01:49:00,179 had enough classified or you know you 2214 01:49:05,759 --> 01:49:03,519 you know so he was so he would be 2215 01:49:11,069 --> 01:49:05,769 connecting the dots then he takes the 2216 01:49:13,830 --> 01:49:11,079 office in 61 from remembering 6200 you 2217 01:49:17,580 --> 01:49:13,840 mean presidents as a president yes 2218 01:49:19,770 --> 01:49:17,590 61 so he so he gets exposure to the full 2219 01:49:25,259 --> 01:49:19,780 classified information of everything 2220 01:49:27,540 --> 01:49:25,269 that is going on and why we shall go to 2221 01:49:29,189 --> 01:49:27,550 the moon not because it's hard but you 2222 01:49:32,430 --> 01:49:29,199 know no because it's easy but because 2223 01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:32,440 it's hard and all of that vision happens 2224 01:49:39,180 --> 01:49:36,010 you know so I was just kind of trying to 2225 01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:39,190 put myself into his shoes and then of 2226 01:49:44,910 --> 01:49:42,130 course assassination and and again it's 2227 01:49:48,660 --> 01:49:44,920 a it's an what-if exercise what if 2228 01:49:51,330 --> 01:49:48,670 aliens are here what if JFK we know was 2229 01:49:53,549 --> 01:49:51,340 pretty darn brilliant guy he likes be 2230 01:49:56,640 --> 01:49:53,559 dread and he's like comprehension level 2231 01:50:00,330 --> 01:49:56,650 was out of this world and he also was 2232 01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:00,340 plagued by a lot of other immune 2233 01:50:06,839 --> 01:50:03,730 deficiencies and actually his entire 2234 01:50:09,450 --> 01:50:06,849 family had like Ted Kennedy died from 2235 01:50:14,850 --> 01:50:09,460 brain tumor so and that's all the 2236 01:50:17,069 --> 01:50:14,860 byproducts of oscillation so the you get 2237 01:50:21,149 --> 01:50:17,079 my dream this is a family that has the 2238 01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:21,159 gene so it's just I like I don't know 2239 01:50:26,970 --> 01:50:24,249 like this kind of book ruled itself you 2240 01:50:30,140 --> 01:50:26,980 know I took history and I just kept on 2241 01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:30,150 tingling whatever therefore therefore if 2242 01:50:37,049 --> 01:50:34,210 and of course what if aliens are 2243 01:50:41,629 --> 01:50:37,059 involved in the human history and JFK 2244 01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:41,639 has a gene of oscillation and what if 2245 01:50:51,239 --> 01:50:48,639 what if the CIA finds out what if the 2246 01:50:56,290 --> 01:50:51,249 CIA finds out that basically aliens are 2247 01:50:59,229 --> 01:50:56,300 keeping the sitting president alive 2248 01:51:02,500 --> 01:50:59,239 because he's basically falling apart we 2249 01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:02,510 didn't write yet very very bad No 2250 01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:05,210 it became Declassified that was we 2251 01:51:11,129 --> 01:51:08,090 didn't you know so that he was a strong 2252 01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:11,139 man type of guy but he was very deeply 2253 01:51:20,220 --> 01:51:14,570 ill all the time on medication a lot of 2254 01:51:24,790 --> 01:51:20,230 medication yeah yeah so what if CA and 2255 01:51:28,149 --> 01:51:24,800 finds out that the president is 2256 01:51:31,330 --> 01:51:28,159 basically compromised by staying alive 2257 01:51:33,790 --> 01:51:31,340 with the help of the audience and what 2258 01:51:36,939 --> 01:51:33,800 if actually the government's know about 2259 01:51:39,220 --> 01:51:36,949 the aliens like wait 2260 01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:39,230 William I imagine like all the 2261 01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:41,449 governments know about the presence of 2262 01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:45,650 aliens like I only imagine you know the 2263 01:51:50,020 --> 01:51:48,290 highest level of officials presidents 2264 01:51:55,149 --> 01:51:50,030 and VP's and you know people who have 2265 01:51:58,689 --> 01:51:55,159 the highest classified access to 2266 01:52:00,209 --> 01:51:58,699 classified information what do what do 2267 01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:00,219 you do with that type of information 2268 01:52:06,129 --> 01:52:04,159 like I mean what would you do like okay 2269 01:52:07,689 --> 01:52:06,139 you're already lost the war you haven't 2270 01:52:10,299 --> 01:52:07,699 even started it now you what are you 2271 01:52:14,709 --> 01:52:10,309 gonna cross panic in the world you might 2272 01:52:17,620 --> 01:52:14,719 as well just like pick apart the the 2273 01:52:20,069 --> 01:52:17,630 wreckage and come up with it the 2274 01:52:25,540 --> 01:52:20,079 internet or something like that you know 2275 01:52:27,010 --> 01:52:25,550 I think our commercialism and our you 2276 01:52:30,250 --> 01:52:27,020 know it's kind of like you know you wake 2277 01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:30,260 up next to a snake like what do you do 2278 01:52:34,990 --> 01:52:32,449 like I mean you don't start like 2279 01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:35,000 screaming and kicking you let it sleep 2280 01:52:44,819 --> 01:52:40,400 hmm you know yeah so yeah someone wanted 2281 01:52:47,260 --> 01:52:44,829 to know do you have a favorite UFO case 2282 01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:47,270 incident is there one is the one that 2283 01:52:53,979 --> 01:52:52,250 you would call your favorite mmm well 2284 01:52:55,780 --> 01:52:53,989 these ones that are putting in they're 2285 01:52:57,580 --> 01:52:55,790 pretty darn favorite the one that the 2286 01:53:01,000 --> 01:52:57,590 one that I haven't mentioned though that 2287 01:53:03,370 --> 01:53:01,010 is in the book also is in 1986 there was 2288 01:53:06,910 --> 01:53:03,380 this incident with the commercial flight 2289 01:53:07,569 --> 01:53:06,920 that was flying over Alaska from Paris 2290 01:53:09,429 --> 01:53:07,579 to Tokyo 2291 01:53:11,919 --> 01:53:09,439 yeah Jas 2292 01:53:13,929 --> 01:53:11,929 sixteen yeah yeah whatever it is yes and 2293 01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:13,939 that is like one hell of an interesting 2294 01:53:21,399 --> 01:53:17,449 case as well because you know like 2295 01:53:23,589 --> 01:53:21,409 people on board so and basically the 2296 01:53:25,449 --> 01:53:23,599 there was a case of a mothership and 2297 01:53:27,580 --> 01:53:25,459 then little ships and they were all 2298 01:53:30,069 --> 01:53:27,590 hovering around this aircraft and there 2299 01:53:33,310 --> 01:53:30,079 was like intense light so there was like 2300 01:53:35,709 --> 01:53:33,320 some kind of radiation and that she's 2301 01:53:37,449 --> 01:53:35,719 open I read their case it's like holy 2302 01:53:39,879 --> 01:53:37,459 [\h__\h] that's just like fits into my 2303 01:53:41,229 --> 01:53:39,889 narrative because of what Elliott's are 2304 01:53:45,390 --> 01:53:41,239 doing your type of projects they are 2305 01:53:49,509 --> 01:53:45,400 doing they're like you know radiating 2306 01:53:54,009 --> 01:53:49,519 treating basically our cancers and 2307 01:53:56,679 --> 01:53:54,019 whatnot in high-profile carriers of the 2308 01:53:58,810 --> 01:53:56,689 oscillation gene so you know where do 2309 01:54:00,549 --> 01:53:58,820 you get a hold of them like on the 2310 01:54:01,989 --> 01:54:00,559 airplane you know you find out that 2311 01:54:08,020 --> 01:54:01,999 somebody's on the airplane it's very 2312 01:54:09,879 --> 01:54:08,030 easy you just go over there you know you 2313 01:54:13,689 --> 01:54:09,889 disperse some radiation or some kind of 2314 01:54:16,299 --> 01:54:13,699 treatment or well this is just how it 2315 01:54:18,370 --> 01:54:16,309 fit together how it came together in my 2316 01:54:21,279 --> 01:54:18,380 book yeah so that was a very interesting 2317 01:54:24,189 --> 01:54:21,289 case I agree that's one of my one of my 2318 01:54:29,469 --> 01:54:24,199 favorites just to think that it was a 30 2319 01:54:32,500 --> 01:54:29,479 a 30 year pilot with you know an a-plus 2320 01:54:34,989 --> 01:54:32,510 record and you know he's seeing what he 2321 01:54:37,140 --> 01:54:34,999 can't believe this big large walnut 2322 01:54:39,429 --> 01:54:37,150 shaped thing the size of like two 2323 01:54:41,109 --> 01:54:39,439 airplanes in front of him and then like 2324 01:54:43,870 --> 01:54:41,119 you said the smaller things coming out 2325 01:54:46,659 --> 01:54:43,880 it's tracked on radar for 300 miles the 2326 01:54:48,969 --> 01:54:46,669 thing goes around him you know circles 2327 01:54:50,589 --> 01:54:48,979 around him yeah and he's trying to 2328 01:54:54,100 --> 01:54:50,599 describe and he's trying to sound normal 2329 01:55:00,879 --> 01:54:54,110 and then he gets a desk job you know 2330 01:55:03,759 --> 01:55:00,889 he's no line at but eventually that he 2331 01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:03,769 was brought back to flying again but I 2332 01:55:07,870 --> 01:55:05,570 mean for I think two years he couldn't 2333 01:55:11,919 --> 01:55:07,880 fly after that incident which is pretty 2334 01:55:14,109 --> 01:55:11,929 sad and I'm so yeah you know so in my 2335 01:55:16,270 --> 01:55:14,119 book I reinterpret it is again like what 2336 01:55:18,729 --> 01:55:16,280 if so there is this case yeah whatever 2337 01:55:19,839 --> 01:55:18,739 government knows about these stunts and 2338 01:55:22,210 --> 01:55:19,849 just like Heaney 2339 01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:22,220 the government needs to this pilot 2340 01:55:28,120 --> 01:55:26,480 keep quiet about the experience and so 2341 01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:28,130 it kind of reimagined and there's the 2342 01:55:33,010 --> 01:55:31,010 whole incident the incident I 2343 01:55:38,290 --> 01:55:33,020 transcribed the whole conversation with 2344 01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:38,300 the encourage the ground air traffic 2345 01:55:45,100 --> 01:55:41,440 controllers and then the militant the 2346 01:55:48,990 --> 01:55:45,110 the Reagan administration people got 2347 01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:49,000 involved you know and all of that so 2348 01:55:54,580 --> 01:55:52,370 kind of like every time I got this piece 2349 01:55:58,060 --> 01:55:54,590 of history I was trying to like vividly 2350 01:56:00,490 --> 01:55:58,070 put myself and like see what was 2351 01:56:03,310 --> 01:56:00,500 happening what was actually happening in 2352 01:56:05,230 --> 01:56:03,320 the moment Wow 2353 01:56:08,290 --> 01:56:05,240 alright well we're just we're right at 2354 01:56:10,060 --> 01:56:08,300 the end of our show here do you want to 2355 01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:10,070 give out your website and all that 2356 01:56:23,740 --> 01:56:20,090 information Ellie Maloney comm yeah you 2357 01:56:27,190 --> 01:56:23,750 can find me on Instagram Twitter and 2358 01:56:30,910 --> 01:56:27,200 Facebook there is either that or search 2359 01:56:32,740 --> 01:56:30,920 for 3 29 years awake there is accounts 2360 01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:32,750 for that as well and feel free to shoot 2361 01:56:38,230 --> 01:56:36,170 me a question if you want if you if any 2362 01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:38,240 of I was not covered or just you know 2363 01:56:42,700 --> 01:56:40,490 let me know if you ever pick up the book 2364 01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:42,710 let me know what do you think alright to 2365 01:56:46,540 --> 01:56:45,050 hear your thoughts okay well it's a real 2366 01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:46,550 pleasure and I really appreciate you 2367 01:56:50,460 --> 01:56:49,040 staying up to with the wee hours of the 2368 01:56:58,060 --> 01:56:50,470 morning over there I hope you can get 2369 01:57:01,900 --> 01:56:58,070 asleep thank you for that all right 2370 01:57:04,900 --> 01:57:01,910 okay everyone all right so we thanks so 2371 01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:04,910 much and I really appreciate it was a 2372 01:57:12,810 --> 01:57:09,370 lot of fun thanks okay bye-bye now 2373 01:57:14,290 --> 01:57:12,820 alright everyone so that is it for the 2374 01:57:16,780 --> 01:57:14,300 for the show 2375 01:57:19,330 --> 01:57:16,790 I appreciate you hanging in with us next 2376 01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:19,340 week we have Jason Cleaves another 2377 01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:21,440 person we're going to be talking to over 2378 01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:23,570 in the UK and that should be a great 2379 01:57:28,180 --> 01:57:26,570 show looking forward to that thanks so 2380 01:57:29,650 --> 01:57:28,190 much for listening or if you're a 2381 01:57:32,530 --> 01:57:29,660 supporter of the show I want to thank 2382 01:57:35,860 --> 01:57:32,540 you and also thank some people that 2383 01:57:37,690 --> 01:57:35,870 helped us out tonight Alejandro Rojas 2384 01:57:40,930 --> 01:57:37,700 with the UFO updates I want to thank 2385 01:57:43,870 --> 01:57:40,940 Jordan Bonaparte for the first part of 2386 01:57:47,830 --> 01:57:43,880 the show our guest Ellie Maloney 2387 01:57:50,020 --> 01:57:47,840 I also want to thank Evan for producing 2388 01:57:51,670 --> 01:57:50,030 the show and we will get that Skype 2389 01:57:54,850 --> 01:57:51,680 thing fixed and be able to take calls 2390 01:57:57,730 --> 01:57:54,860 next week I also want to thank Peggy for 2391 01:57:59,950 --> 01:57:57,740 managing the Facebook page and Keith 2392 01:58:02,320 --> 01:57:59,960 over at the Dark Matter digital network 2393 01:58:17,980 --> 01:58:02,330 alright everyone so thanks so much and